Overrated bands

Bollocks! Without The Pistols we'd still be listening to utter crap like Rick Wakeman.

Can't agree on that one Sin. They were about everything BUT the music. You give them too much credit.

As Punk's marketing tool they were outstanding. But that's it.

You're just tryin' to wind up DDBug ain'tcha - go on, admit it.

I agree, Metallica are pants. Never liked them. Die Ärtz put on a hell of a show (saw them in Bielefeld '99). Tokio Hotel is my little personal joke (I have never even heard any of their music, but know what they look like - pubescent twats - from the posters adoring the walls of my 10 year old daughter's bedroom). I do seriously plan the T-shirt though.

Because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not good. I'm not even a metal freak, but I can hear that they're fucking good. Damn sight more musically talented than any punk band. And yes, I do like some punk. But I don't equate what I like with what is good. That would be too arrogant even for me!

you mean there is such a thing?

You're what? 4 years older than me? Makes a big difference.

From my perspective they opened doors, they pushed the envelope, and they changed a great deal of the music scene for a while. It is far too complicated to explain in a thread like this. Shit! I've read 'England's Dreaming' cover to cover six times already and I'm still up for another read.

On the one hand you have a boy-band manipulated by a domineering manager - as you put it "Punk's marketing tool". However, I wouldn't use the word 'outstanding' for the mess that McLaren generated in his wake. On the other you have some superb rock 'n' roll courtesy of Matlock's bass melodies and Lydon's insight. To dismiss The Sex Pistols as 'overrated' misses so much of the point.

Look, I pick up a bass guitar and I start fiddlin' around. I'm equally happy workin' through Benny Goodman's 'Sing, Sing, Sing (with a swing)', Sabbath's 'War Pigs' or The Pistol's 'New York'. For me they are all equally complex, equally clever and equally satisfying to bring depth, soul and feelin' into.

I loved The Clash and The Damned at the time too. But the music of the same period (1976-77) is as dull as dishwater to play compared to The Pistols.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EEEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (somebody please give me another note to pound)

Scogs.
Everytime I point out to my wife how crap German bands are (imo) she reminds me of Keith Harris and Orville and the fact a bloke with a perm and a hand stuffed a green ducks bum had a top 10 hit in the UK.

It didnt "take off" over here though!

Er... when did I say they aren't good? The new bass player is AWESOME. Shame he didn't pick a better band to play with.

I just hear a whacked out lead and a totalitarian dictator of a drummer. Man! The whole thing's fuck'd the moment you let the drummer take control.

Q: What's the last thing that happens before a rock 'n' roll band splits?
A: The drummer arrives and says, "I've got some tunes too".

They CAN really play. They problem is I just don't hear anything original.

"The Pistol's 'New York'" has a bass line with more than one note in it?

So God is officially dead?
1) Starship
2) Jefferson Starship
3) Modern Talking

-hang on

1) Modern Talking
2) Dieter Bohlen
3) Thomas Anders
4) Starship
5) Jefferson Starship
6) Rednex
7) The Osmonds
8) Sex Pistols
9) Spice Girls
10) Eurythmics

kraftwork...tangerine dream...scorpians can't say they are crap...well ok scorpians might be (but i went out on the piss with them after a gig in Derby and they paid for the beer so have a soft spot for them)

Are you serious Scogs???

What about that fantastic EE-DD-BB-G - EEE-DDD-GGGG - EE-DD-BB-G (open)EEEEEEE (followed by the bluenote)F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F#F# (before that repeat into)BB-A - BBBA - BB-A - BB?

That bluenote is just PERFECT man.

Wir sind Helden are crap live but have a certain something.

Why would age difference come into it. We're both younger than any of the pistols were.

Johnny Rotten put it better than I ever could - '...ever been 'ad!?! The punk era (as if it ever ended) at it's best was great. Some fantastic bands. However The Pistols were the 'Black Lace' of the genre.

sorry mate but i wouldnt subject my bass guitar to anything that was a pistols song

I think you're takin' Lydon's words away from his original meaning. "Ever get the feelin' you've been cheated?" was rhetorical. You should read 'Rotten - No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish'.

Black Lace? Now I know you're just on a wind-up.


But you would play Freebird? Go see a doctor.

forgot about them...about the same as me having to play bass in a support band for Paper Lace in Nottingham, even worse that the lead guitar was Alvin Lee and we had Johnny Mars
on harp and the twats from Paper Lace didn't know who they where

And I thought Black Lace would push you over the top...Good man. Wind up over.

good point, answer yes if they paid me enough money

Was that Alvin Lee of Ten Years After?

yes, but at the time it was called ten years gone

Funny, I saw them at a Reading Festival as Ten Years Later

@sin
you might be right with the name, I was only doing a fill in as Bass player as I had played Bass with the drummer in a band called Colin Staples Bread Line

Same spin-off as Starship and Jefferson Starship (who were absolutely brilliant as Jefferson Airplane - "White Rabbit"). Decent band from the 60's, rearrange them, original members leave, new members join up, slight change of name - voilà, instant success. The quality of the music had nothing to do with it ("We Built This City" by Starship has me lunging for the off-button every time.).

When you put it that way sara I start to think of Fleetwood Mac.

I saw Peter Green do a gig in a pub about 7 years ago to a crowd of about 30. Really nice bloke. A bit spacey round the edges still, but a hell of a guitarist.

actually the keyboard player later married and joined fleetwood mac, cant remeber her name but she was always called blondie by us...chris something

Christine McVee? Have a nice weekend all!

Christine McVie.

Peter Green is a motherfucking awesome guitarist, but anyone who saw their reunion concert will know Lyndsay Buckingham is fucking amazing too.

that bit I knew...was trying to think of her maiden name, it was somthing very boring like black or green

anyways,
back to the topic,

at random,

Maroonfucking5
Bee Gees
Eagles
Red HOt Chillie Peppers
Boyz II Men

quote "Maroonfucking5"
who?

Perfect.

Blimey! Now I feel old. I've even seen Stan Webb's Chicken Shack.

no mate you feel old when you can remember seeing "Screaming Lord Sutch" with Richie Blackmore on guitar at a miners welfare in Cotgrave

the rendition of Jack the Ripper (or something like that name) was great Sutch took a chain saw and used it to saw up the drum kit and half of the stage

Am I allowed to feel old because I remember The Doors appearing live in the Bay Area?

Chicken Shack played in Munich just last year... but I can remember when Christine Perfect was still with them.
What about a list of *under*rated artists? Peter Green would be near the top of mine.

My no.1 overrated has to be Robbie Williams.

I now have spot number 5 figured out and the winner is:
The University of Texas Longhorn Band
Most overrated piece of shit band since the invention of toast.

was thinking of the under rated thread for next week

Wot a good idea.

The Pixies???

That has got to be a joke. They practically invented the 90's, back when rock was dead.

Who are they? Never heard of them.

The Pixies???
Irish rock band made up of the illegitimate children from Thin Lizzy

@Scogs,

You know that bit in The Blues Brothers where Jake and Elwood are introducing themselves to Bob (of Bob's Country Bunker fame)'s wife?

Elwood: "Er... What kind of music do you usually have here?"

Bob's wife: "Oh! We got both kinds. We got Country AND Western"

Well... that's Carm.

I know, and Canadian to boot,

Hm, I think I'll just hang out on this thread until Carm logs back on...

Dunno why I should talk. Everybody has their weird musical Achilles heel. Mine is Patsy Cline's 'Crazy'. You know, I've always been a sucker for a powerful female voice. I don't like covers, but the odd 'version' is acceptable. If I ever find the girl that could pull it off, I'd love to do a raunchy, nasty, dirty groove version with just a touch more emphasis on the crazy.

But DDBug... you know I'm right.

Ah Sin, yes I know. But I understand Carm, Wyoming is not that far from her part of Canada and when I lived there noone knew who Ziggy was, and my friends would ask me to let them out of the car if I put Bowie on (if it wasn't China Girl )

I love that Patsy Cline song ! I actually like most music genres, but not all music of all genres.

I grew up with BTO, Neil Young, The Guess Who (all from Winnipeg), still love the 70's classic rock stuff- but not familiar with the British stuff. Then the 80's came and changed my life, then I worked up north and all you got was Country music on the radio, so what can I say?

ps- Just bought a new Johnny Cash CD, alternate that with my Pink CD!

one that comes to mind is Guns and Roses, surely one of the shittest bands in the history of the world, how did they become so famous?

Carm, BTO, Neil Young and The Guess Who were all great. In fact, I saw Randy Bachmann in concert 3 years ago and he was still a great musician. Econoline Crush is another underrated band, also from Winnipeg.

You've got nothing to be ashamed of. I listen to local Canadian bands that no one outside of canuckistan has ever heard of a lot more than anything else as well. I miss that music so much here.