I suppose you have to turn up, wahoo, but whether anyone wanting to participate in a tour is going to be able to find you is another matter entirely. The company should have predicted this earlier. I guess any tourist would be able to grasp the problem immediately, if they even make it to Marienplatz given the transport closures.
So do they have to pay you if you show and nobody wanting a tour does?
It seems obvious to me from all the commotion that you'd probably have no luck conducting a tour around Marienplatz this weekend.
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The Pope is coming home
Visit to Munich and Bavaria - 9-14.Sep.2006
I doubt you'll be able to get anywhere near Marienplatz unless you camp out overnight.
@wahoo
On sunday Marienplatz is not closed, as far as I understand. The pope will be in Messestadt Ost on Sunday. It's going to be a bit difficult that you can actually show up in Marienplatz around 11, but I guess I would try to make the effort. But maybe first you should keep putting some pressure on your boss.
On sunday Marienplatz is not closed, as far as I understand. The pope will be in Messestadt Ost on Sunday. It's going to be a bit difficult that you can actually show up in Marienplatz around 11, but I guess I would try to make the effort. But maybe first you should keep putting some pressure on your boss.
Ludwigstrasse is busy this morning. At 8:30am there were police/military vehicles stationed at every block on both sides of the street as crews unloaded steel barriers to be set up later. Police patrols have also stepped up noticeably.
I saw a car this morning with a Vatican state flag hanging off of the window on those plastic flag poles just like everyone had during the world cup.
Too bad the Vatican squad wasn't able to qualify for the WC.
Imagine all the hand of God incidents that could have brought up...
No energy to photoshop this appropriately
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Sep 7 2006, 9:49 am) 
Yesterday, a well-known event-artist and anti-Nazi/anti-church activist Wolfram Kastner dressed up as a Papal Nuntius (sort of ambassador) and accompanied by a friend dressed as Hitler attempted to walk from Marienplatz to Königsplatz to protest against the Catholic churches stand towards the Nazis, passing former Nazi administrative buildings on the way.
They were quickly surrounded by police who tried to arrest him for handing out flyers - which he wasn't doing, his friends were. Then for impersonating the Pope - which he wasn't doing, he was a Nuntius. And besides, he wasn't being political - this was an artistic event. "Hitler" kept his mouth shut regardless. The police had to let them go.
Suddenly, the police realized that the two of them formed a group staging an unregistered demonstration and hauled them off to Headquarters in the Ettstrasse, where Kastner calmly informed them that a demonstration needs three participants to count as such. But the police remained stubborn and insisted on Kastner aborting the event and handing over the clothes "zur Gefahrenabwendung" - to deter potential danger. (I don't know if they had other clothes along, article doesn't say.)
But it must have been great while it lasted ...
They were quickly surrounded by police who tried to arrest him for handing out flyers - which he wasn't doing, his friends were. Then for impersonating the Pope - which he wasn't doing, he was a Nuntius. And besides, he wasn't being political - this was an artistic event. "Hitler" kept his mouth shut regardless. The police had to let them go.
Suddenly, the police realized that the two of them formed a group staging an unregistered demonstration and hauled them off to Headquarters in the Ettstrasse, where Kastner calmly informed them that a demonstration needs three participants to count as such. But the police remained stubborn and insisted on Kastner aborting the event and handing over the clothes "zur Gefahrenabwendung" - to deter potential danger. (I don't know if they had other clothes along, article doesn't say.)
But it must have been great while it lasted ...
Rather shocking. Why is it illegal to impersonate (or insult as I read the SZ article) the pope?
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 7 2006, 10:30 am)
I'd have no problem with the anti-Catholic anti-Nazi anti-Oxygen brigade if they also displayed a little balance and instead of putting energy into negativity noticed that they Church does so much for the poor and the sick. Take Caritas for example in this town.
Or even better how bout this lad:
http://www.saintmychal.com/life01.htm
Catholic gay priest and alcoholic.
Or even better how bout this lad:
http://www.saintmychal.com/life01.htm
Catholic gay priest and alcoholic.
... And the fascists really got the trains running on time too.
I personally, have no problem with the Caritas, or any other partly-tax funded, QANGOs. From what I know they do a good job. I think the catholics mess people up no more than many protestant churches do. And they like a drink too.
I do have a problem with the uncritical, adulatory attitude of the press towards this man, who has basically been a career church bureaucrat.
I also have a problem with the argument that he and many other politicians of the right are pushing right now, that the freedoms that we enjoy in the west are due to the church as the "foundation of western civilisation". While the church obviously holds a central place in western history, it has fought tooth and nail against the freedoms that we currently enjoy as a result of the enlightenment.
I have to work tonight at 6:30pm
I come from Furstenried West on the U3
I usally change at mareinplace Then to Rosenheimer platz. I herd that they are closing MareinPlatz. Does any one have the time and details. In plain ENGLISH Please.
Thanks
Aussie Steve
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I come from Furstenried West on the U3
I usally change at mareinplace Then to Rosenheimer platz. I herd that they are closing MareinPlatz. Does any one have the time and details. In plain ENGLISH Please.
Thanks
Aussie Steve
Topics merged by admin
Marienplatz will be closed completly-
Sendlingor Tor, or Odeonplatz may be closed depending on the crowds.
Hard to suggest a really fixed route.. Travel as far as SendlingorTor and get on the #18 tram from there. Or maybe to Odeonsplatz, then get on the U4/U5 to MaxWeberPlatz or Ostbahnhof and walk from there...
Poots
Sendlingor Tor, or Odeonplatz may be closed depending on the crowds.
Hard to suggest a really fixed route.. Travel as far as SendlingorTor and get on the #18 tram from there. Or maybe to Odeonsplatz, then get on the U4/U5 to MaxWeberPlatz or Ostbahnhof and walk from there...
Poots
bloody hell, will all the shops be shut today, then?
what about around Karlsplatz?
what about around Karlsplatz?
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Die Linien U3 und U6 sowie alle S-Bahn-Linien halten voraussichtlich ab Samstag Mittag aus Sicherheitsgründen nicht mehr im Bahnhof Marienplatz. Auch die U-Bahnhöfe Odeonsplatz, Universität und Sendlinger Tor (gilt nicht für U1, U2) müssen gegebenenfalls ohne Halt durchfahren werden.
mvv muenchen
My sister flies out of MUC airport at 3PM... we plan on leaving shortly for the airport- does anyone know if we should expect any significant delays? Da' Pope is scheduled to arrive at 3:30.
I'd guess that would depend on where you are starting your journey.
Good point, Joliet Jake... We are starting at Kolumbusplatz.
Not sure if you are driving or taking the train. I just got back from morning errands. The U2/U5 both seemed to be operating normally with minimal additional passenger volume. From the departure monitors, it seemed that the S lines were normal as well, although I didn't travel on any.
Since you shouldn't have to cross to the west of the river, I would guess the commute to the airport would be OK. I have no idea if the airport is expecting any flight delays. I would think they'd use a special terminal for our visitor, but that's honestly purely speculation on my part.
Since you shouldn't have to cross to the west of the river, I would guess the commute to the airport would be OK. I have no idea if the airport is expecting any flight delays. I would think they'd use a special terminal for our visitor, but that's honestly purely speculation on my part.
I just paid my Pope police protection tax this afternoon: 15 euros.
Was riding my bike the "wrong way" today and was stopped by the Polizei who promptly ticketed me. He told me that since I had only a U.S. driver license with me that I would have to pay the 15 euros in cash on the spot. Kind of wondering if I just bought a round of beers ??
I've ridden the wrong way here several times for convenience. More police and barriers than I've ever seen in the city before.
EDIT: This is Maximiliansplatz, the half-round thing on the right is the Wittelsbacherbrunnen.
Here is where I was riding, the X marking where I was stopped.
He wrote me a ticket and put a line through it saying paid ("Bezahlt / Payed" ), but that was after he ripped off the top sheet for himself.
Anyone think he'll turn in the 15 or will it be on my record somewhere?
Was riding my bike the "wrong way" today and was stopped by the Polizei who promptly ticketed me. He told me that since I had only a U.S. driver license with me that I would have to pay the 15 euros in cash on the spot. Kind of wondering if I just bought a round of beers ??
I've ridden the wrong way here several times for convenience. More police and barriers than I've ever seen in the city before.
EDIT: This is Maximiliansplatz, the half-round thing on the right is the Wittelsbacherbrunnen.
Here is where I was riding, the X marking where I was stopped.
He wrote me a ticket and put a line through it saying paid ("Bezahlt / Payed" ), but that was after he ripped off the top sheet for himself.
), but that was after he ripped off the top sheet for himself.Anyone think he'll turn in the 15 or will it be on my record somewhere?
Leopoldstrasse and Ludwigstrasse are completely shut down. As is Odeonsplatz. They won't even let bikes through there!! It took me 1 hour to cycle home to Josephsplatz from Isartor...and I had to go through the bloody English Garten to get here! No, I'm certainly not cursing the Pope, that would be blastphemous, however I am exceedingly frustrated at the moment!
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Sep 9 2006, 5:49 pm)
Is that him, right now on Marienplatz?
I think so. If I'm not mistaken, the Pope is the only one that wears a white skull cap (the cardinals' are red).
I am missing the crosshair Bob... You could get a few good shots off before anyone notices
I saw him as he drove his PopeMobile to the Residenz...
I also saw Merckl (spelling?) and the 'President of Bavaria.'
I realized how very brave the public officials are here in Germany...
The Pope's bullet-proof window was rolled down as he waved! There
is no way that things would be that relaxed with President Bush...although
I think a lot more people want to kill him...
I also saw Merckl (spelling?) and the 'President of Bavaria.'
I realized how very brave the public officials are here in Germany...
The Pope's bullet-proof window was rolled down as he waved! There
is no way that things would be that relaxed with President Bush...although
I think a lot more people want to kill him...
We drove up to Garching yesterday afternoon. There was a cop stationed at every door, every overpass, every ladder, every overhead sign along the highway. Basically one on each side, every 300m or so. We did wonder if it went all the way to the airport like that, and figured it probably did.
spotted in soul city last night . . .
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It was dead quiet in town yesterday, trying to avoid Marienplatz we stumbled across the pope mobile - so he was at the theater. I'm sure we could have seen him, if we'd have made an effort to walk back a few hundred meters.
I think I saw more cops than pope-watchers though.
I think I saw more cops than pope-watchers though.
The Sbahn stations from Ostbahnhof to Feldkirchen are totally full of cops, Bundes polizei, MVV Ticket checkers, and MVV Info people. Today is not the day to be going thru those station without a valid ticket..
I thinking I counted 14-20 cops per platform. Stationed about 1 pair every 10-20 meters..
I thinking I counted 14-20 cops per platform. Stationed about 1 pair every 10-20 meters..
Well I was briefly at the Messegelande yesterday and it was a sight that I don't think I'll ever see in my lifetime again.
However, I have no plans to become a Catholic.
Nor was I struck by lightning.
To see faith and the spectacle that closely was seriously impressive - I got there just as entry was closing and left just after "Vater Unser", otherwise I'd have never got home (plus I am not actually Catholic, nor baptised into any faith).
Seriously, it was quite a thing to see, how vital Bendedikt was and his connection with the faithful.
For me it was a an historical event, for others it was bearing witness - an experience I wouldn't have missed.
However, I have no plans to become a Catholic.
Nor was I struck by lightning.
To see faith and the spectacle that closely was seriously impressive - I got there just as entry was closing and left just after "Vater Unser", otherwise I'd have never got home (plus I am not actually Catholic, nor baptised into any faith).
Seriously, it was quite a thing to see, how vital Bendedikt was and his connection with the faithful.
For me it was a an historical event, for others it was bearing witness - an experience I wouldn't have missed.
I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I thought one of the 10 commandments was something like 'Thou shalt not have any idols other than Christ/God whatever dude'.
Pope Protection Tax also applies to cars as well !! We went yesterday to the Mass. Left at 6am with our pick up with 4 bike on board. Drove as far as well could and then parked the pick up beside the other cars just outside Aschheim. We then biked it the rest of the way.
Spent an enjoyable Sunday in Messegeland. Certainly an experience with 250,000 people. Once we finally got out after 1.5 hours of waiting, we rode back to the pick up to find the police had been round and given the 20 or so cars that were parked beside us all a 20 Euro ticket.
And there was I thinking that all the police were busy protecting the Pope !!
I suppose 20 Euro between 4 is not so slim !! I suppose it helps pay for all that overtime !!!
At least we got lots of free water left over from the WM drink and a super cool Poncho !!
Spent an enjoyable Sunday in Messegeland. Certainly an experience with 250,000 people. Once we finally got out after 1.5 hours of waiting, we rode back to the pick up to find the police had been round and given the 20 or so cars that were parked beside us all a 20 Euro ticket.
And there was I thinking that all the police were busy protecting the Pope !!
I suppose 20 Euro between 4 is not so slim !! I suppose it helps pay for all that overtime !!!
At least we got lots of free water left over from the WM drink and a super cool Poncho !!
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