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Buying a single stamp from the post office - Germany

A rant about stupid Deutsche Post sales policy

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Yeti
Didn't you register last year ?
MajorBummer
Register?
cinzia
Yeti, you're having us on, now.
MonksTown
Sorry, where exactly is the free market for posting letters?
Never look at the news?

The market in postal services all over Europe is getting more and more liberal.
The limit by weight and price below which the post offices enjoy a monopoly is sinking and IIRC that monopoly will dissappear totally in a couple of years time.

So in theory ANYONE can set up a postal scheme.

In Sweden IIRC there already mini rival post systems working in the major cities and of course in business stuff goes with UPS, FedEx etc etc.

But from a profit point of view, individually selling single stamps for 55 cents, collecting them from various locations, sorting them and delivering them to ANY domestic address (no matter how remote) for a flat fee isn't attractive.

That is why DP, like Britain's Royal Mail and I guess 101 other postal organisations are reducing socially welcome but costly / non-profitable services. The selling of single stamps looks like the basic function of a post ffice but falls into that category. Similarly there was a mass thinning out of post boxes a couple of years ago. Lucky I still pass one on the way to my local.
boomtown_rat
Yeti, you're having us on, now.
Slanderous accusation. Have you ever known Yeti not be serious?

Yeti
Yeah, you had to send in a singly-stamped selfaddressed envelope to counter 7.5 of your local post office ?

Before the 12.12.2005, I think it was.

(Moi, unserious ? Never !)
cinzia
I'd like to know when stamp automats stopped being about the convenience of the customer and started being about the convenience of the Post?

I know, I know, silly question, this being the Poor Customer Service Capitol of the World, but really. This is getting ridiculous.

At the very least, if selling stamps via automat is more cost-effective for the Post (and I doubt that it is), then stamps at the automat should cost less than buying one from the counter.
sarabyrd
i don't think i was the only person left with 1.44 stamps .
According to post office branch Unsöldstrasse you are allowed to use them through the 31st Jan. instead of € 1.45.

... she could only print off stickers which needed to put straight onto the letter.
I have had them handed to me before, but I had the letter/s on me. It has to do with them weighing the letter and the machine spitting out the amount.
MajorBummer
Sheez. Had me worried there for a moment..
Persius
the trouble with a free market for letters is that no-one really wants to offer the servive for individual letters delivered door-to-door because there is no money to be made. The private companies only want to cherry-pick the profitable sections of the market, like mass-mailing, packet servies etc. If the industry was totally de-regulated it would probably spell the end of a universal door-to-door service. We would probably end up having to go somewhere to collect our mail, rather than have it delivered.
I agree that there's no money to be made on single letter delivery and probably no private company would want to do it. Which is why I assumed it was and will remain a service provided by the state. For the communal good, and all that sort of stuff...

Never look at the news?

The market in postal services all over Europe is getting more and more liberal.
The limit by weight and price below which the post offices enjoy a monopoly is sinking and IIRC that monopoly will dissappear totally in a couple of years time.

So in theory ANYONE can set up a postal scheme.

In Sweden IIRC there already mini rival post systems working in the major cities and of course in business stuff goes with UPS, FedEx etc etc. ...
Yes, I was aware of the liberalisation, but didn't expect that the monopoly would disappear for standard letters.

So, does die Post currently receive subsidies from the government for providing this service (stamp sales and single letter delivery)?

If the market is to be totally liberalised, and no subsidies are provided, this could mean the end to the service as we currently know it. I'm not sure how desirable this is, or how it would even work. I mean, if you have to go to the post office to pick up your post, how do you know you have post. At present the postman posts a receipt in my mailbox if I miss a parcel delivery. Would be funny if you got a receipt in your mail box saying you had to collect a letter

I suppose it could be built in to the conditions of a licence to operate a postal service that single letters must still be accepted and delivered, which would obviously reduce the attractiveness of such a licence.
MonksTown
Well Cinzia, ATMS have long stopped being about the convenience of the bank customer, it is the same principle.

Deutsche Post AG is not subsidised by the government, it operates as a private company although it is wholly owned FOR THE MOMENT by the federal government. They are looking at an at least partial flotation in 2008 (?) which means getting costs DOWN and profits UP. that is why they have this policy.

There is a trade off to be made becaue single letter delivery to all adreses is not attractive for a business.
sarabyrd
According to post office branch Unsöldstrasse you are allowed to use them through the 31st Jan. instead of € 1.45.
Damn my addle-brained co-worker (not the garlic-sensitive one, the other one). She now says that you have to have them stick 1cent stamps on the letters at the PO. Not what she said last week.
Showem
Monkstown, if it truly was a free-enterprise company, you would be able to buy stamps at Walmart for 30% cheaper and use them to mail your letter. Whether you buy one, two or 78.
Showem
Yeah, what I said.
MonksTown
In a true free market Wal-mart could indeed charge what it liked for its own service at 30% less.
But 55 cents is already at best a break even price, there's loss leaders but...

A discount at another stamp outlet is currently not legally possible but they do steer you by for example offering you the "bonus" of single stamps at a machine. Similarly I don't get a "discount" if I make a bank transfer via a service terminal but it costs me 75 cents in the bank to do it on paper.
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