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Racism and discrimination in Munich

Experiences and opinions

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BadDoggie
Oh, you are so very rational BadDoggie.
Attention Toytown: "Rational" is now a bad word, just like "logic"! All rational and logical discourse should be terminated. From now on all shall spew their beliefs about whatever pops into their heads and everyone else must accept such as The Real Truth.
How about a little more heart to temper that "awesome" reason?
How about I continue expose the fallacies and mind-blowing over-sensitivities of those claiming racism instead? It's more amusing. I'm at the office and shooting fish in a barrel means I can also get some work done.
You don't seem very adept at putting yourself in someone else's shoes.
And you don't seem very adept at reading comprehension. Go back to where I wrote about South-East-motherfucknig-Dee-Cee. "Chocolate City" and Murder Capital of the US for more than 20 years. I also lived on McMicken by Liberty. Go google last year's riots in Cincinnati and see exactly where they took place.
Just ranting about how non-whites are so terribly over-sensitive.
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck... I call it as I see it and I've seen nothing to counter what I've sad beyond "Well I feel like they're acting racist toward me" while ignoring what everyone else has said about Germans in general and specifically those who use public transportation.
Imagine this: you are a bus driver who feels like saying "Raus aus meinem Bus, neger"
Oooohh!!! Time for the thought police! Double-plus-good!
but don't because you know that if you did you would most likely be in deep legal shit; can you think of some way(s) in which you could anyway make your distaste known, hassle the "neger" a little bit, perhaps?
How about you imagine being a bus driver and yet another fuckwit got on your bus and didn't show you the ticket after supposedly stamping it. Now you have to get up and walk all the way to the back to check it because an MVG inspector might be on watching you to make sure you're actualy checking tickets like you're supposed to do even though you and your colleagues hate having to be ticket checkers on top of avoiding the idiots racing around the street.

Oh wait, sorry. That was a rational explanation, something no longer allowed. Let me try again:

OMG!!!11! YUOR SO RITE!!! THEIR AL RACEISTS HEAR IN MYOONICK!!1!shiftone THE BUS DRIVER D00D DID HIS JOB ADN IS the TOATLE RACEIST!11!1!! YUO RED HIS MIND!! HE PROBABLY HAS A NATZI FLAG AT HOME TWO!!!11!1 OMGFOADLOL!!!1

Was that better?

[size=1]Edit: Attention Crawlie: You northernist!

woof.
Saan
A friend of mine was on the receiving end of some very real racism last weekend. After leaving a club, he walked to a bus stop where two men asked him if he was Jewish (he looks pretty Jewish, and he responded yes, because he is) and they then threatened him and used words that I won't deign to repeat. One of the men mentioned his pride in having a grandfather who was an SS officer at Auschwitz. They became aggressive and my friend was seriously scared and ended up running back to the club and calling a taxi. I was pretty shocked to hear the things they had said, and my friend was obviously very distraught (I was still at the club so I got to hear the story right after it happened).

EDIT: To be complete, I should say that my friend has lived in Munich for 25 years and nothing like this has ever happened to him before.
BadDoggie
I didn't say racism doesn't exist. I called out the "examples" of it given here up to now which most seem to agree were normal, daily occurrences blown fully out of proportion and labelled racist when they were in fact no such thing. Saan's story is different, but it's still hardly a common occurrence.

woof.
Saan
I didn't say racism doesn't exist. I called out the "examples" of it given here up to now which most seem to agree were normal, daily occurrences blown fully out of proportion and labelled racist when they were in fact no such thing. Saan's story is different, but it's still hardly a common occurrence.
BD, I'm not trying to argue with you--I've only skimmed this thread. I just thought this story was relevant to the topic and so I posted it. And obviously it's not common or my friend would have probably experienced it more than once in 25 years.
WhoaSnap
In the imaginary situation, you "imagine" that you are imagining that...!!
This sentence really made me chuckle. I love that so many TT'ers are creative and articulate.
Even when we disagree, and even if you get burned by someone's post or burn on someone else's yourself, you have to at least appreciate the quality of the banter when you see it.
WhoaSnap
I didn't say racism doesn't exist. I called out the "examples" of it given here up to now which most seem to agree were normal, daily occurrences blown fully out of proportion and labelled racist when they were in fact no such thing. Saan's story is different, but it's still hardly a common occurrence.

woof.
Yeah, I agree with Doggie, I wouldn't call that common at all. In fact, I've never heard of anything like that. What a horrible experience. I don't know what I would have done. Scary, that.
canaryman
This sentence really made me chuckle. I love that so many TT'ers are creative and articulate.
Even when we disagree, and even if you get burned by someone's post or burn on someone else's yourself, you have to at least appreciate the quality of the banter when you see it.
Well, I do try and maintain a glimmer of humour. Don't, however, accuse any of the liberal, conspiracy theorising, tin-foil hat wearing TTers of being daft. They will give you a trillion websites to prove the Queen of England is a Lizard, Winston Churchill used to wear ladies underwear and that they know a friend of a mate that lives next door the wife a person that knows whatever it is for a fact (they are just waiting to hear!)

With reference to the German of habit of staring, they have another habit of speeding up (subtley) with their supermarket trolleys as they approach the tills. Try breaking out into a full sprint, getting there first, leaping up and down shouting (I have won, I have won)!!! Then look at them at the next till, 100% guarantee that they will look directly ahead and will not look at you at all. (Be warned, your partner will probably walk off and leave you there jumping up and down, my wife did but came back later!!)
WhoaSnap
The biggest problem is that caucasians cannot really post anything on this topic as we will just receive the standard "You are not black and therefore do not know what we have to go through" bullshit answer.
No, I don't agree with that. So many are caucasians are posting, whether they "know", "want to know" or "think they know" - that's the thing. It's a tought topic. Never thought anyone would ever even reply. I don't believe anyone can change the situation and we definitley will never all agree on it, but at least we're aware of what some people feel like, even if we see it completely differently.

I must admit, since initially posting this, I have learned a lot from what I read so far - even when I disagreed...Well, with the exception of the posts of bad doggie.
Though, he's not racist, he is a dog.
WhoaSnap
Don't, however, accuse any of the liberal, conspiracy theorising, tin-foil hat wearing TTers of being daft. They will give you a trillion websites to prove the Queen of England is a Lizard, Winston Churchill used to wear ladies underwear and that they know a friend of a mate that lives next door the wife a person that knows whatever it is for a fact (they are just waiting to hear!)
Very true! There are some provocative folks, some very stubborn people and there's lots that are just tough as nails and are not afraid to speak up on anything, but 'daft' - nevah.
Anastasia Beaverhausen
Well, I do try and maintain a glimmer of humour. Don't, however, accuse any of the liberal, conspiracy theorising, tin-foil hat wearing TTers of being daft. They will give you a trillion websites to prove the Queen of England is a Lizard, Winston Churchill used to wear ladies underwear and that they know a friend of a mate that lives next door the wife a person that knows whatever it is for a fact (they are just waiting to hear!)

With reference to the German of habit of staring, they have another habit of speeding up (subtley) with their supermarket trolleys as they approach the tills. Try breaking out into a full sprint, getting there first, leaping up and down shouting (I have won, I have won)!!! Then look at them at the next till, 100% guarantee that they will look directly ahead and will not look at you at all. (Be warned, your partner will probably walk off and leave you there jumping up and down, my wife did but came back later!!)
Very true!
then there are also the TTers who have an experience with a German(s) then go on to generalise about the whole German nation being like that (like they know every single German person in Germany)
WhoaSnap
And then there are also the Germans who have an experience with a people of any nation then go on to generalise about the whole nation being like that (like they know every single person of that nation).

Oder nicht?
Yeti
QUOTE(Anastasia Beaverhausen @ Jan 26 2006, 3:32 pm)

then there are also the TTers who have an experience with a German(s) then go on to generalise about the whole German nation being like that (like they know every single German person in Germany)

And then there are also the Germans who have an experience with a people of any nation then go on to generalise about the whole nation being like that (like they know every single person of that nation).

Oder nicht?
Oder doch ?
Anastasia Beaverhausen
And then there are also the Germans who have an experience with a people of any nation then go on to generalise about the whole nation being like that (like they know every single person of that nation).

Oder nicht?

oh well that makes it okay then...
Anastasia Beaverhausen
How about you imagine being a bus driver and yet another fuckwit got on your bus and didn't show you the ticket after supposedly stamping it. Now you have to get up and walk all the way to the back to check it because an MVG inspector might be on watching you to make sure you're actualy checking tickets like you're supposed to do even though you and your colleagues hate having to be ticket checkers on top of avoiding the idiots racing around the street.
nice one BD! I reckon every MVV bus should have the bumper sticker 'I'm not racist, I hate everybody'.
samy
MVV is quite clever. They write everything in German except the laws regarding fines.
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