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Dog owners beware, poison found in English Garden

Four dogs already affected

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MajorBummer
I noticed a high police profile patroling the English Garden today when I took my usual run. Yesterday already I saw little notes posted all over reporting that "little packets with a blue powder" have been found lying about on the way to the Aumeister Biergarten. Today I saw a note by the Bayrische Schlösserverwaltung warning all dog owners to take their dogs only on a short leash currently. Somebody has put poisoned bait all over the English Garden and the dogs ate it and died. You can imagine what a horrible way that is to kill an animal! So please, take care of your animals when taking them for a walk in the English Garden. The Munich Police have already posted a warning on their webpage, although they talk of only four dead dogs up to now and the Schlösser Verwaltung meantioned five. Whatever. Take care!
georgiagirl
How horrid! People suck.
oli2000
While distributing poison is of course an unjustifiable criminal activity, this will force dog owners to put their pooches on a leash - such law was introduced recently that they had to do it, but it seemed to be ignored entirely.
boomtown_rat
oh yeah this was on the radio last night. Poor mutts
3 Lions
Whats your problem with dogs being allowed to run free and exercise?

The only thing dog owners should be forced to do is to clean up the dog crap after them.

Hope they catch the sick fcuker soon.
Owain Glyndwr
the English Gardens are big enough to have areas where dogs are allowed to run free and have fun (and shit where they like) and those where they are not (ie the areas where people commonly sunbathe or play sports.

Murdering pets like that is sick. I hope they find the person and put a stop to it.
boomtown_rat
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problem with dogs being allowed to run free and exercise

maybe they attack the swans? (no idea to be honest). The dogs could access the poison even when on a lead I would have thought. Whatever the reason, its pretty sick
Kza
Agreed, theres no sport in poison at all. Slingshot, bow and arrow, spear or net on the other hand, thats much more of a level playing field.
JMA15
That's horrible and it makes me very sad and angry, especially as it will go on and on as no one knows how many packets were hidden. Does anyone know if the poison was meant for dogs or birds (mad twisted reaction to bird flu) - not that it matters.
oli2000
It will indeed probably not only effect pets, but also the wild life there. Simply very bad.
Yeti
The police report says that dogs ate food that was covered with a blue powder, probably a rat poison or fertilizer. The report does not say that the dogs are dead though.

This is one of the reasons why it's a good idea to train your dog not to eat stuff they find lying around.
boomtown_rat
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The report does not say that the dogs are dead though.

the radio report last night said some dogs had died. Not that that is 100% reliable of course
zimmer
It's definitely cruel to poison animals like this. However, I think dog owners ought to take care of their dogs. I was sitting on the ground & reading today, and a dog while chasing another just ran into me! Another time, a dog which had just taken a dip in the river splashed itself all over a woman nearby. That's simply disgusting!
MajorBummer
@Yeti

The paper posted all over in the Northern part of the English Garden, which had been put up by the Schlösser Verwaltung, says that five animals have actually died. Unfortunately they do not have the warning up on their homepage, but one can contact them for information on the link that I posted earlier. I didn't want to rip off the warning, scan it in and post it here. wink.gif
Keydeck
According to the police the four dogs they mentioned are alive at this time.

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Die erste Meldung, dass bereits Hunde durch die blaue Substanz zu Tode gekommen sind, konnte bislang nicht bestätigt werden. Alle betroffenen Hunde sind am Leben.

They reckon the powder could be either rat poison or fertiliser but won't have analysis results back for about two weeks.
Yeti
The police report is from yesterday so they could have died in the meantime.

I've see a cat that had eaten rat poison dying. Didn't look like much fun. At least it's not the summer so the chances of a toddler picking up something are lower.
Keydeck
That text I quoted seems to be from today. It's an addition that they put on the original text by the looks of it. See here.
MajorBummer
Or the squirrels.. sad.gif Uh, I mean, I am worried about the squirrels. Beginning to speak like 32D.
bonydebbie
May be its just naughty school kids playin an evil game.
eurovol
Well my dog got poisoned and ended up in the klinic for a few days on an IV. The first vet said it was poison and the klinic said that it was a stomach infection (I tend to believe the first vet as this is the second time its happened and the first time was definitely poisoning). Either way, the neighbor's rabbit ate something too and died last month. Having been here some 8 years, this seems to be one of the things that is commonly practiced by a certain class of people who hate pets (word has it that they are older Germans with a sick dislike of pets). We have heard about this stuff happening quite often and in my opinion, these people are the scum of the earth.
sarabyrd
QUOTE (3 Lions @ Nov 9 2005, 4:23 pm) *
Whats your problem with dogs being allowed to run free and exercise?

Running free and exercising on the grass is ok, but I almost ran into 3 dogs (in separate incidents) yesterday in the English Garden and the Luitpoldpark while I was biking to work. They were running leashless across the bike/pedestrian path and the owners were clearly expecting me to swerve or brake so as not to hit the dogs. Not that they belong poisoned, but on a leash in the proper places. (No dog-fiend here, my Granny bred and trained poodles. None of them ever got run into.)
BTW, the Schlösser- und Seenverwaltung sometimes spread rat-poison themselves, but they put up big glarlingly pink or orange warning signs.
MadAxeMurderer
Love dogs, but have to admit some dog owners can be really stupid jest letting their dog on a lead go across the cycle path while your bombing along and then smiling as if its funny.

But animal poiseners are sick sick sick
Sekt88
the problem with germany and dogs:

1. many germans are nicer to dogs than to children. I have both and my experience is that many germans tolerate much more from dogs than children. this baffles me as I come from a italian household where children always ruled. when my son pulls a single leaf from the vine of my neighboors plant he goes ape shit. when my dog pisses on his door, he says "well its a dog , er kann nicht dafur?" absurd.

2. I am tired of dog shit everywhere I go in the park. it is everywhere and it is annoying. people complain that their dogs need to run. well fuck you, my kids need to run in the park without stepping in dogshit.
take your dogs to forest. dog piss also stinks.

3. dogs belong on farms not in big cities. it is not fair for the animal.

4. Everyone has a dog! Everyone, yet the birthrate in europe is low. Start having babies you euorpeans and forget about dogs. It is absurd.

Pierre
More tea, Vicar?
QUOTE (Sekt88 @ Nov 9 2005, 7:39 pm) *
the problem with germany and dogs:

I agree with what you say but I'm a big dog lover. Dogs bring a lot of joy to humans (as do kids, I have heard). Its probably not incorrect to say that we have had dogs as pets almost as long as we have had kids?

If we ship out the dogs, we should ship out the screaming kids
zimmer
QUOTE (eurovol @ Nov 9 2005, 4:55 pm) *
Well my dog got poisoned and ended up in the klinic for a few days on an IV.

Did you see what your dog ate? Curious. A friend of mine said her dog died after eating poison left out for rats (not in Germany).

@ sarabyrd & MadAxeMurderer: looks like we could start a thread on "dog leash or no dog leash"

QUOTE (Sekt88 @ Nov 9 2005, 6:39 pm) *
4. ...Start having babies you euorpeans and forget about dogs. It is absurd.

Ya. Dogs can't put into the pension pool.
eurovol
Never saw what the dog ate, but they don't put out poison here where I live. She is either in the garden or on the leash unless we go to where dogs can run free. Dogs eat everything off the ground no matter how well you train them. The dogs that don't eat off the ground have been abused and are no longer really dogs in my opinion.
Yeti
My dog won't eat stuff off the ground unless I let her because I trained her that way. She wasn't abused, I trained her to do that exactly the same way I trained her to do anything else. Of course maybe all training of animals is abuse but I don't want to get too metaphysical here. Maybe she isn't a dog anymore but I'm glad she doesn't eat shit, rotting carcassses, rubbish, cigarettes or any of the other stuff that I've seen dogs eating.
eurovol
On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being total impossibility and ten being absolute, metaphysical certitude, what are the chances that your dog is eating shit when you aren't looking? biggrin.gif
Ulysses
QUOTE (Yeti @ Nov 9 2005, 4:42 pm) *
The police report says that dogs ate food that was covered with a blue powder, probably a rat poison or fertilizer. The report does not say that the dogs are dead though.

This is one of the reasons why it's a good idea to train your dog not to eat stuff they find lying around.

This is impossible with a labrador or retriever. They eat everything.
kitty-kat
guess someone stepped in one too many dog-poops.

No seriously, that's a horrid thing to do, I am a huge animal lover- makes me sad to think of losing a pet that way sad.gif
Cookie
People who poison animals like this make me want to go for a walk in parking lots with a fist full of keys poking out of my hand - and then, you know, "accidentally" trip and fall on a couple of (or 12) BMWs. Oooops - clumsy me! Did I just key your car? Ohhh, so sorry.
HellesAngel
Go on Cookie, how do you get from poisoned dogs to keying BMWs? Not that i'm either a dog friend, nor a BMW fan. Shoot the dog that did the shit you trod in, key the BMW of the fucker who forced you off your bike, fair enough, but I'm struggling with your logic.
Editor Bob
German dog haters have their own website at hundefeind.de.

This seems to be an issue that both sides care passionately about.

Schotte
QUOTE (zimmer @ Nov 9 2005, 5:44 pm) *
However, I think dog owners ought to take care of their dogs. I was sitting on the ground & reading today, and a dog while chasing another just ran into me!

you know if you stay at home and read a book or something you can totally avoid the threat of this happening.
zimmer
ya, and miss out the sun! laugh.gif
butterbean
QUOTE (Sekt88 @ Nov 9 2005, 6:39 pm) *
the problem with germany and dogs:

1. many germans are nicer to dogs than to children. I have both and my experience is that many germans tolerate much more from dogs than children. this baffles me as I come from a italian household where children always ruled. when my son pulls a single leaf from the vine of my neighboors plant he goes ape shit. when my dog pisses on his door, he says "well its a dog , er kann nicht dafur?" absurd.

2. I am tired of dog shit everywhere I go in the park. it is everywhere and it is annoying. people complain that their dogs need to run. well fuck you, my kids need to run in the park without stepping in dogshit.
take your dogs to forest. dog piss also stinks.

3. dogs belong on farms not in big cities. it is not fair for the animal.

4. Everyone has a dog! Everyone, yet the birthrate in europe is low. Start having babies you euorpeans and forget about dogs. It is absurd.

Pierre

you defeat your own argument. germans are twats when it comes to disciplining their children (helps them to grow up as rude and ignorant as ma and pa) so they shouldn't have more. you poison my dog, I will hunt you down. no excuse, no ifs, ands or buts.

man, am I excited about moving to Paris, if you are any example of the French. (not)
butterbean
QUOTE (More tea, Vicar? @ Nov 9 2005, 6:43 pm) *
I agree with what you say but I'm a big dog lover. Dogs bring a lot of joy to humans (as do kids, I have heard). Its probably not incorrect to say that we have had dogs as pets almost as long as we have had kids?

If we ship out the dogs, we should ship out the screaming kids

Amen.
Sekt88
butterbean, I am a new yorker. I will kill noones dog so save your threats. have fun in paris.

I am not a dog fiend and I do not hate animals.

sekt88
interplanetjanet
QUOTE (eurovol)
metaphysical certitude

Did you say that for my benefit? biggrin.gif

If you're wondering what I'm on about, see NBC nightly news coming to the internet for free.
Marshbot
QUOTE (zimmer @ Nov 9 2005, 4:44 pm) *
and a dog while chasing another just ran into me!
Another time, a dog which had just taken a dip in the river splashed itself all over a woman nearby. That's simply disgusting!

Good God. The cheek!
And here I was thinking when dogs went out to the park they all sat around smoking cigars and sipping brandy. Crashing into humans indeed! What next? Dog riots? Bloody hooligans.
Did the dog that shook water near the poor woman bother to inquire if she minded a bit of river water first or was he just thinking of himself as usual? Bad taste, I say.

QUOTE (Sekt88 @ Nov 9 2005, 6:39 pm) *
4. Everyone has a dog! Everyone, yet the birthrate in europe is low. Start having babies you euorpeans and forget about dogs. It is absurd.

Um, no Europeans... please don't, I beg you. There's plenty enough of humans and their shitty waste to go around. Get a dog and deal with it's poop; much better for all of us in the long run. Cheers.
Sekt88
dog can´t do math and this is part of a prevailing attitude, or certitude, if you like, which has the birth rate declining.
Cookie
QUOTE (HellesAngel @ Nov 9 2005, 10:25 pm) *
Go on Cookie, how do you get from poisoned dogs to keying BMWs? Not that i'm either a dog friend, nor a BMW fan. Shoot the dog that did the shit you trod in, key the BMW of the fucker who forced you off your bike, fair enough, but I'm struggling with your logic.

Of course keying random BWMs does not solve the problem of getting rid of the assholes of the world - that was my point. Then again, putting poision out in the park will not solve the dog shit problem or decrease dog ownership rates. If you don't like dog poop, then talk to your local officials about enforcing the laws, go talk to some dog owners about why they don't pick up (maybe make 'em feel like shit - hehe) or put up some cash and have the city install a shitload (sorry, I just can't stop) of "dog stations" so bags are available.

And if you are going to shoot a dog for shitting in the street, may I suggest you get out more. First, it's the owners fault, so please shoot them. Second, sharing the planet with people who have different views than yours can be a pain in the ass. Fact. Realize it, except it and move on.
Allershausen
QUOTE (Sekt88 @ Nov 10 2005, 7:39 am) *
dog can´t do math and this is part of a prevailing attitude, or certitude, if you like, which has the birth rate declining.

What? blink.gif
don_riina
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dog can´t do math

Are you confucius, or a red indian?

Germans are well known to me for randomly poisoning animals. Happens all over the place. The lady across the road has had her cats poisoned, and our cat has actually been shot. Some little vindictive arsehole, very probably of the older generation, has got a bee in their bonnet, maybe stepped into a fresh wet turd or something, and decided to lay poison food parcels around the Englsih Garden. Nice, no, but some people are not nice.

Dog shit is a problem. Its one of the most foul substances in the world, and shit on sports areas drives me incandescent with anger. The way to solve that problem is hardly to wipe out the canine population though. Owners at fault, not dog, for most of the time, if not all. Dog wanders in front of your bike? Owners fault. Dog shits in the goalmouth of the local footy pitch? Owners fault. Idiots treating their dogs like humans.
I have heard, but not seen evidence of, an enclosed area in the Englsih Garten designated specifically for dogs off the leash. Sounds like a crap idea to me, but I have the benefit of shitloads of woods and fields nearby.
MajorBummer
OK: Latest update. The Süddeutsche Zeitung reports that the information on the dogs and their well-being correlates with the police website, just like Keydeck mentioned earlier, and not with the information given by the Schlösser Verwaltung. It had in fact only been four dogs that got reported as having been poisoned and they are still fighting with their lives. One obviously doesn't know how many dogs haven't shown symptoms yet or have owners who didn't bother reporting the cases. Whatever, the dogs have at least not died! The kind of poison used was rat poison and it can take up to 100 days before it's actually worked out of the system. Only after about 100 days will you therefore know whether your dog is gonna be ok. The dogs have no outer symptoms of a poisoning and appear to be normal. They suffer from an inner bleeding due to the poisoning. The dogs are currently being treated with Vit.K-injections in the clinic. Also, it appears to be that the poisoned bait had only been put out in the Northern part of the English Garden. Still, if I were to have had a dog I definitely wouldn't currently risk it until the police had given the green light. The police are still patroling the English Garden looking for more bait. Suddenly I have something positive to say about police.. ph34r.gif
butterbean
more reason to have a purse-sized dog, don't you think Cookie? wink.gif
Cookie
Amen, sister . . . amen.
sarabyrd
QUOTE (MadAxeMurderer @ Nov 9 2005, 6:17 pm) *
Love dogs, but have to admit some dog owners can be really stupid jest letting their dog on a lead go across the cycle path while your bombing along and then smiling as if its funny.

I posted in the thread about killing animals how Scogs managed to kill a Doberman on an extendable leash on the bike path
QUOTE (zimmer @ Nov 9 2005, 7:11 pm) *
@ sarabyrd & MadAxeMurderer: looks like we could start a thread on "dog leash or no dog leash"

Good idea, I'll try to make a poll and we'll see how long it takes until it's all the Americans' fault.
Edit: wink.gif
zimmer
edit.
zimmer
QUOTE (Schotte @ Nov 9 2005, 11:17 pm) *
you know if you stay at home and read a book or something you can totally avoid the threat of this happening.

And the dog can stay in its kennel too!

QUOTE (Marshbot @ Nov 10 2005, 6:17 am) *
Good God. The cheek!
And here I was thinking when dogs went out to the park they all sat around smoking cigars and sipping brandy. Crashing into humans indeed! What next? Dog riots? Bloody hooligans.
Did the dog that shook water near the poor woman bother to inquire if she minded a bit of river water first or was he just thinking of himself as usual? Bad taste, I say.

I think not. It is German trained. No "excuse me" for pushing etc.

QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Nov 10 2005, 9:34 am) *
Good idea, I'll try to make a poll and we'll see how long it takes until it's all the Americans' fault.

BWAHAHAHAHA! This thread is getting so hilarious! Every time an American's fault. Burn & die! I'm amazed with people's reactions, really! Reading out of context all the bloody time! Quote 1 & 2 won't push me to put poison out for the dogs in any case. (Ain't no more reading this post)
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