UpQuark
Sep 21 2005, 10:15 am
I don't know how you people spend your vacation, but I spent one evening of mine sitting in on a book club hosted by my friend in London. This month's novel was "Spring Flowers, Spring Frost" by some Albanian cat named Ismail Kadare. I thought that the book was either way over my head or just lousy. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the literati present felt the latter, but that we all could fairly clearly articulate why we thought so. At the same time, I enjoyed chatting about it and found that some discussion made a fairly awful book a little bit better (though I still can't recommend it).
So. We all read the same book and meet once a month to talk about symbolism, subtext, the historical, political and artistic environment that helps shape the novel, etc.. We present our theories and observations and basically try to sound smarter than everyone else in the room. And we eat cake.
Any interest?
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Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 10:16 am
How much cake ?
yogi_bear
Sep 21 2005, 10:18 am
would you have cheese cake?
Showem
Sep 21 2005, 10:19 am
I'm interested, in both cake and books.
butterbean
Sep 21 2005, 10:20 am
we could have a cake club.
I'd be interested (in books as well) if it were on a Sunday night maybe or, if not, not too early in the evening. I was invited to join a book club, but the meetings ended up being WAY too early - 6 on Thursday nights. I mean, who the hell...
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 10:24 am
If there was cake I could get there early and then everybody else could really concentrate on the books.
Topsy
Sep 21 2005, 10:25 am
this sounds like it's my cup of tea*

agree with butterbean re: timing
* translation - this is a "yes, i am definitely in"
jml
Sep 21 2005, 10:33 am
i could make a meetup if it happens in the next few weeks. i might even read the book. in either case i would recommend you all to consider the kite runner of kabul. its short on pages but long on style and delivery.
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 10:34 am
That is an excellent book and has one section where the world just falls out from under your feet. I can recommend it wholeheartedly.
Can I get my cake now please ?
benpanter
Sep 21 2005, 10:35 am
I don't know about intellectual but I'm certainly pompous and enjoy cake. Sounds like fun...
Katrina
Sep 21 2005, 10:36 am
I'd be interested and could provide cake.
Saan
Sep 21 2005, 10:57 am
Being a pompous book-reader and cake-eater, I'd love to join in.
perdido
Sep 21 2005, 11:00 am
Hmmnnn sounds interesting...can do without the cake though...
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 11:01 am
I'm in and I bags perdido's cake.
jml
Sep 21 2005, 11:06 am
bastards, beaten to it.
ps: am assuming we can eat cake pompously as well. i wouldnt want to limit my pompousness to book reading.
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 11:07 am
One can be pompous however one feels one's pomposity can be of greatest benefit to the lower orders.
jml
Sep 21 2005, 11:08 am
I personally try not to feel up my own pomposity. Its rather lumpy and might set me off my cake.
yogi_bear
Sep 21 2005, 11:08 am
What does intellectual really mean???
Kat
Sep 21 2005, 11:11 am
Love books, prefer chocolate cake, can do 'pompous' on demand. Who's hosting and what's our first book?
Tara
Sep 21 2005, 11:14 am
Will the cake and books be accompanied by a glass of wine? Yes? Then, I'm in too.
Kat
Sep 21 2005, 11:19 am
QUOTE (yogi_bear @ Sep 21 2005, 12:08 pm)
What does intellectual really mean???
If you have to ask... just kidding. Hell if I know. Try googling it.
QUOTE
Definitionen von Intellectual im Web in Englisch:
appealing to or using the intellect; "satire is an intellectual weapon"; "intellectual workers engaged in creative literary or artistic or scientific labor"; "has tremendous intellectual sympathy for oppressed people"; "coldly intellectual"; "sort of the intellectual type"; "intellectual literature"
of or associated with or requiring the use of the mind; "intellectual problems"; "the triumph of the rational over the animal side of man"
cerebral: involving intelligence rather than emotions or instinct; "a cerebral approach to the problem"; "cerebral drama"
a person who uses the mind creatively
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
An intellectual is a person who uses their intellect to study, reflect, and speculate on a variety of different ideas.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual
Property Rights - patents, copyrights and trademarks.
www.biotechnology.vic.gov.au/info/glossary.asp
means of the mind, so an intellectual is someone who is concerned with things of the mind. Intelligent means clever, and (sometimes) sensible; but intelligible means clear and understandable.
www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/vocab.htm
bucket06
Sep 21 2005, 11:22 am
i like to club pompous intellectuals with books. do i qualify?
jml
Sep 21 2005, 11:23 am
yes, definitely.
codemonkey
Sep 21 2005, 11:26 am
I'd be up for this, as long as the first book is one I've already read - I'm too lazy for anything involving effort.
Owain Glyndwr
Sep 21 2005, 11:28 am
I would be up for this if we can read the
Beano.
Katrina
Sep 21 2005, 11:29 am
Any suggestions for a specific book? Should it be in English?
And how heavy should it be (if folk are meeting every month, "War & Peace" might not be the best idea)?
jml
Sep 21 2005, 11:32 am
I really, really repeat the recommendation (seconded by Yeti) for
The Kite Runner. Short but really fantastic.
jml
Sep 21 2005, 11:35 am
delete. fixed above.
benpanter
Sep 21 2005, 11:36 am
Unfortunatly for me books in languages other than English would have to be at the Asterix level... but I wouldn't mind missing a session once in a while if you lot wanted it.
How about we start the ball rolling with a book which there are probably plenty of copies sitting around of? A recent bestseller perhaps?
A big one in the last couple of years was "The Life of Pi", and people tend to have mixed feelings on it (I didn't like it much, but there you go)... would that suit?
Bubble Gum
Sep 21 2005, 11:48 am
Cake

. I'm in!!! Life of Pi is good, I recently read it and would love to hear what others thought of it.
bucket06
Sep 21 2005, 11:48 am
poll?
Jeeves
Sep 21 2005, 11:57 am
QUOTE
Should it be in English?
Errr, yes?
QUOTE
And how heavy should it be (if folk are meeting every month, "War & Peace" might not be the best idea)?
That would be my problem. With other things to read like newspapers, magazines, Toytown etc. a book a month is quite a big ask if it has more than a couple of hundred pages.
jml
Sep 21 2005, 12:01 pm
I'm with Ben,
Life of Pi wasn't my cup of tea but it would make for interesting conversation.
I probably wont even be able to make these but, here's my book club recommendation list for what its worth. I would start with the short reads first.
In addition to the short and amazing
Kite Runner I would recommend the following for eventual consideration:
Stasi LandCategory: Historical Fact Finding.
An Australian writer attempts, mainly through first person interviews, to chronicle some of the many - and often ridiculous - activities of the Stasi the infamous Secret Police of the former East Germany.This is a non-fiction book that reads like fiction, if you know what I mean. Short and easy read.
The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Handon.
Category: Bitter Funny, Murder Mystery.
Autistic boy sets out to find a neighboorhood dog killer, sets of a trail of events that lead to London. Also short and easy read.
Not as short but good (IMHO):
Russian Debutante's Handbook by Gary Shteyngart.
Category: Funny Ha-Ha.
Young NYC immigrant temporarily becomes Eastern bloc gangsta sets out to exploit the local (English -speaking) expat community in Prague.
A Confederacy of Dunces by John O'Toole.
Category: Funny, Plain Funny
Life and Times of an overweight, big ego, total slacker boy living with his momma in the big easy. Lots of on again/off again discussion about turning this one into a major picture. Kinda like a long running Seinfeld episode...crazy characters doing mostly nothing yet it all comes together at the end.
roots
Sep 21 2005, 12:10 pm
could we also have a mini quiz night?
umm... caaake. I am in.
So much cake talk and not one picture. You people are insane.
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Sin
Sep 21 2005, 12:55 pm
I...
...I LUVS WREEDIN' CAKE...
...cake...
OH!
And eatin' books.

M-Y BRAI... NURTS!
mik
Sep 21 2005, 12:59 pm
I'd love to join you all (I might even manage a cake too) as long as it does not start too early. Cannot be in Munich before 7.00 pm. My suggestions to start would be:
Siri Hustvedt - What I Loved
Alan Hollinghurst - The Line of Beauty
Both exquisitely written novels proving just what a beautiful language we share, American or British English.
Anemone
Sep 21 2005, 1:06 pm
Cake and books? Yep, I'm interested.
perdido
Sep 21 2005, 1:26 pm
My days that are free usually fall on Sunday. I am up for Confederacy of Dunces, it is one of my favorite books. I own Life of PI but as of date yet to read.
judders
Sep 21 2005, 1:58 pm
I would have been up for this had i not another year at Uni, in the UK, to finish. I would definitely like to hear what people think of 'Life of Pi' after reading it my mind was full of thoughts and ideas, a great book to start off a book club. I haven't read the Kite Runner yet but i've heard lots of good things about it.
Another book i would have loved to discuss is Perfume by Patrick Suskind, although the fact some people may have read it in German and some in English may present some difficulties i think it has some great discussion points, and as the film will be coming out soon it would be nice to do.
EDIT: Add author details
Esme
Sep 21 2005, 2:05 pm
Yes to cake, books, discussion and wine! Looks like we'll need an auditorium to hold this event. Anyone got one?
Jeeves
Sep 21 2005, 2:07 pm
The way this is going somebody is going to have to provide a large apartment and a heck of a lot of cake

Judders In truth I'd have thought that people reading a book in original / English translation would add further perspective
Edit: Posts crossed with Esme on the size of the auditorium
Katrina
Sep 21 2005, 2:10 pm
How about Sunday 16th October? Gives everyone the bank holiday for reading.
And means possibly 3 such events until Christmas if things were to go well.
Maybe we can do a vote on 4 books for the first event to get a choice.
These are only ideas though (it isn't my event so I don't want to take over, ok?).
sarabyrd
Sep 21 2005, 2:11 pm
Count me in on books & cake (I suggest Blätterteig/milles feuilles/layered pastry as most befitting). Do we do mass-orders on books or buy them individually or fight for them at the library?
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 2:11 pm
Good point about the translation / original perspective Jeeves.
I've read The Beach in english and german and the last chapter in the german edition I had is different. I don't mean a sentence or two translated incorrectly, I mean a whole different set of paragraphs inserted. Has anybody else encountered this ?
sarabyrd
Sep 21 2005, 2:15 pm
Not that extensively, Yeti, but the lucky guy that does the Harry Potter translations could do with brushing up his language skills. He describes Madame Maxime as having "olivgrüne Haut". Ouch!
Jeeves
Sep 21 2005, 2:19 pm
Sara, Good point on the ordering. Bulk discount from Amazon perhaps...
Whatever, one would need a certain lead time just to get hold of the book.
Yeti
Sep 21 2005, 2:25 pm
Well if we are doing The Kite Runner I can reread it in a flash and lend it to somebody. I saw a copy at the Twisted as well.
@Sarabyrd How is she described in the english version ? I haven't read any of the Potter Opus.
Katrina
Sep 21 2005, 2:30 pm
QUOTE (Yeti @ Sep 21 2005, 3:25 pm)
Well if we are doing The Kite Runner I can reread it in a flash and lend it to somebody
If that's the book, someone else can have it after me then.
perdido
Sep 21 2005, 2:59 pm
Hiliga shieser..I own
kite runner also but have yet to read it.
Life of PI and
kite runner were given to me as Bday gift but I just never read them. Oct 16 sounds good...I would prefer an afternoon meet up if I am invited
QUOTE
Bulk discount from Amazon perhaps...
FYI: If you order from amazon, please follow the links from Toytown..there here somewhere, the house gets a kickback if you click through. Or at least we used to get a kickback...
PS: Oh and pretty please if you nominate a book can you include a link to a review
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