Starting a small child day care centre

Can anyone tell me, if I do a course to be able to open a daycare
center of kids...Not many though..just a few..say about 6 or 8...
maybe more...I will see how things plan out when I'm in munich.

Would anyone be interested and what do you think of this idea?
I do not know what 'Muncheners' offer...So I will need your input.

I was thinking of looking after babies and toddlers until say
about 5pm or 6pm at night. Maybe 2 or 3 babie and the rest
toddlers.
They will get breakfast,lunch and I am thinking of snacks in
the afternoon. I will have educational toys, videos and DVD's
available. I will offer English as main language and German
for second language...

What do you think...Any suggestions...?

Related topic: Founding an English-speaking Kindergarten

Well, having watched a friend of mine set up a daycare in her home in the States, with the license and all the paperwork involved, I can only imagine that here it would be a nightmare.

But then again, I don't know squat about starting a business in Germany.

These places are all over the shop.

Suggest you start here for basic information about what is currently being offered, here for further links, Pre-schools, Playschools & Kindergartens in Munich for a discussion on the subject and so on and so forth.

If you intend to provide day-care for a small number of kids (say two or three) on a rather informal basis, then it should be easy to set up. If you want to make it a real business (and 6-8 kids "or more" sounds like that's your idea), be prepared for quite a lot of regulation and red tape. Your facilities will probably need to fulfill certain requirements, you may need to hire qualified/certified staff, etc. In any case, it's a worthy idea and there certainly is demand for that sort of service. If it is a good business proposition from a financial point of view (taking into account all those rules and regulations), I have no clue.

I was thinking of something small..not really like a bing CENTRE...

I thought of about 2 babies and say about 4 or 5 toddlers up to the age
of about 3 or 4..

As I say, something small...

As I understood it, people had difficulties finding english daymothers/daycare
centres or even those which are open the whole day instead of only until
midday...

Did I misunderstood...

From what I've heard (colleagues, etc.), I do think there is demand.
Other than that, I cannot really say much about the issue.

That is exactly what I had in mind...something informal...
but I was thinking around 5 or 6 maximum.

Do you maybe know who many children I will be able to look
after on a informal basis. Would 5 or 6 be ok?

I am really eager to do this, but I do not want a lot of hassels...?

Sorry, no clue about the details. Maybe if you go through keydeck's links, you will find usable contact details for these sorts of questions... (city hall staff should be reasonably helpful, as they do acknowledge the shortage of full day childcare facilities)

From what I can tell from the friends and extended family I have here in Germany, there is definitely a demand for the type of 'daycare' you are describing. However, I have learned rather quickly that nothing in Germany can be done on an informal (read: non-regulated) way).

However, I believe what you would be interested in offering is more along the lines of a "Tagesmütter". Unfortunately, I am at a client site today with fairly strict firewall restrictions and can not navigate to the site that I know there is info concerning this matter. If you google "Germany + Tagesmütter", there are numerous results. Mostly in German, but there are a few in English (most notably the Expatica site which has (or had at one time) some useful info on the subject. Best of luck and let me know how it turns out (as I may be interested in doing the same sort of thing in the very near future, once we start our family).

More than 3 kids and I think you need to be registered with the Jugendamt.

I think I would want you to be registered and regulated if you were looking after my little one. Unless I knew you personally of course.

To do this properly here's a lot of red tape for:

- setting up a business (or becoming self employed)
- getting approval for such use or change of use of the premises
- getting permission (health checks, qualification etc.,) for management of children
- being sure you are covered in case of unexpected incidents (lots of insurance)

Not to mention issues of finance, marketing and getting the whole thing off the ground...

Othwerwise you can just "wing" it and look after other peoples kids for cash... Many do.

YL6

I agree with keydeck same here.
I'd want as an absolute minimum references and proof of education level.
And a basic recent (i.e within last twelve months) first aid for kids course.

I believe a course in basic hygiene is also a pre-requisite to look after children... (Good thing too!!)

I would recommend emailing Candace at munichmommies@hotmail.com. She has done this, and would be able to answer all your questions. She also knows lots about needs of care for children in the munich area, and contacts, etc.

good luck!

Tina

Obviously, I will be taking a childcare course first
which includes first aid and as I have a 3 year old I know
that Health and Safety is important to Mothers and Fathers.

And yes I would be more of a Tages-Mutter than anything else.

I will check out the requirements and let you know
what I have decided.

Thanx for the feedback

XX

Hi There

At this stage, this is for informational purpose only.
If I were to offer the following service to you and your child as a Tagesmutter would
you and your little one be interested? :

# Full day daycare from 8am - 5pm
# breakfast
# Lunch
# Snacks
# Entertainment
# Educational stimulation
# Potty training
# and much more

We are close to the following:
# 1 minute from 2 Doctors
# 1 minute to Fire Station
# 2 minutes to Police Station
# 5 minute walk to and from S-bahn - Starnberg Nord
# 10 minute walt to and from S-bahn - Starnberg See Bahnhof
# outside from where I stay there is a public garden
# all other shops are about 5 minutes away.

* And I have a 3 year old daughter. I am able to offer English and German.
And as for any other S.Africans out there I can offer Afrikaans as well.

Monthly € 300,00

Here is some Info to look at:

as per muenchen.de: Nursery Schools - Kindergärten:


out of TT pages:


~~~~~~~~~~~ I would very much appreciate any feedback ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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very low priced - If you would have been here a few years ago, and lived close to me I would have taken you up on it!

Holy *^^&F the day care down the street in the Boston burbs is $245 PER WEEK.

Pixie is pulling a Mother Theresa thing...

I don't have kids yet, but it sounds like a good deal. Heck I don't even have a wife yet, hehe.

Hell, maybe she can babysit you then Why8

@jml - a privilege like that I'd grant only to absolute hotties like you

Sorry pixie for getting off the topic - looks like you have a great list of customers all lined up and wanting already...

Thanx for the great replies.

I was just throwing it out there to see, what you all thought ...
what is the actual going rate for full day? does anyone know..

Thanks again.

No, don't you go increasing the price on us... er... I mean... them

Everyone's all excited, heated up and all that...

Raising the fee...hhmmmmm, maybe to about €350 or so...
ha ha ... Seriously, As I am still in the planning stages...
we will have to see what happens.

Remember:
"At this stage, this is for informational purpose only."

@Why8 - So any future plans?
"I don't have kids yet, but it sounds like a good deal. Heck I don't even have a wife yet, hehe"

Leider nicht. Though if I keep going to TT events, I may get lucky...

@jml - you hottie, have not seen you for a while, how're you doing hunny? hehehe

Ok so today is a brand new day, with more challenges.

I am gonna go dig deaper into my suggestion and
will be able to tell you on what I have decided and
what I can offer.

## Just another short question, if my "Tagesmutter"
daycare idea is up and running, starting January 2006.
How many of you might be interested, noting that
it will be in Starnberg. ##

Thanks again

you're not Airport/North East based then?

Are you insured? licensed? qualified? Has your property been inspected by the Gesundheitsamt as suitable for commercial daycare?

"" I am gonna go dig deaper into my suggestion and
will be able to tell you on what I have decided and
what I can offer ""

"" At this stage, this is for informational purpose only. ""

As I said its still in the beginning stages, and all that will be done,I have appointments
today regarding the insurance, license etc.

I would say the fact that I infomaly helped out at Tagesmutter in CPT and
that I have a 3 year old that would give me some credit.

So, I will let you know what will be happening. Give me a day or two.

But it seems you set the price without understanding the costs of running the business, which commercially, is not a good idea...

Thanks I will keep it in mind Yorkshireterrier...um sorry I mean YSLad6

Have it ever accured to you that I might be doing this out of love
for children, instead of just doing it for business purposes.Kids need food,
love, education, entertainment, a place to lay their head down...
Maybe in the long run I might be looking at a Daycare Centre, now I will
hopefully just be looking after other peoples children, to help them make
life easier.

I know what you mean, and your sentiments are admirable, but if you took a child for love and he/she fell through that plate glass window in your living room, or escaped the garden onto a busy road due to a faulty gate latch and was killed, I doubt your love would stand up to a somewhat distraught parent, and neither, in the long term, would your bank balance or possibly even your freedom...
It's a delicate area...

I understand what you are getting at. Thanks for your concern.

Being a mother, I am quite aware of the safety of the surrounding/s
when looking after children. I will make sure that they are save, just
the same as with my own daughter.

Hi There,

So, I will be up and running at the beginning of January 2006.

My husband will be helping me, so I will have space for about
4 to 5 kids, ranging from ages 1 - 3 years
I am offering the following: Breakfast, Lunch, Snacks, Fruit,
Education, Fun, Entertainment, English, German, Security and much more..

After much consideration and discussion I have decided on
a monthly fee. I will be a full day ´TAGESMUTTER´
(and not a Daycare Centre) from 7am to 5pm.

If you need more information please PM me. I
will be glad to forward more info to you.


Regards
Pixie

These two points will limit your audience. Not a bad thing, but you might reconsider a couple of things. The people who live in that neck of the woods are usually more affluent and reap the bucks. Hire someone to help (you shouldn't do this alone anyway!) and charge more. Those things you mention are nice, but where is the learning and the experiences? There needs to be a much more fuller schedule of activities. My son is 4 and he has weekly gymnastics and swimming. Tomorrow the kindergarten is going on a trip to the theater for Nikolaus. Seriously, where's the beef?

What beef do you want or are you looking for...

1-3 year (12 - 36 months) olds are at a learning stage and they need
fun things to help them learn. Once they are going on to
four then you can by all means send them to gymnastics or
swimming. In the meantime they are more interested in learning
about the things around them...colour, shapes,words..

I will be a "Tagesmutter" and not a daycare centre or Kindergarten.

I will be looking after 1-3 year olds. They will not be stuck
inside the whole time, depending on the weather. There will be a more
fuller schedule. If someone is interested in my services then I
will discuss the activities with them in detail.

I will take them out for outings and I have someone helping me.
I am central to everything once you see where I life.
the monthly fee of €300 that was only for "informational reasons".
Since then the Fee has changed.

For those parents who are interested please PM me.

X X X
Pixie

Hi Pixie, I sent you a PM few days ago. Hope we will be able to talk soon

Cristina