I had to take some compassionate leave back in April for my Grandads funeral, I had 4 days off, but had to use 3 days of holiday, so 1 day compassionate leave.
I've been told this morning that I am not entitled to any compassionate leave and have to use another holiday?
The person that agreed my leave is also the same person that signed the form saying that only immeadiate family warrants compassionate leave. They are no longer with the company.
What is the norm here? In the UK, it is only 1 day, but if you have a long distance to travel then you can be entitled to more.
As far as I am concerned as it was agreed verbally, it doesnt matter what he signed afterwards.
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Compassionate leave
How many days is the norm?
I believe it is 1 day for extended family members.
If you have a signed form or an email from HR that you were getting compassionate leave, wave it under their noses and tell em to **** off.
Grandpaprents is close family, you get 1 days compassionate leave.
They are bullshitting anyway in a particuarly sneaky and unpleasant way.
Please don't let them get away with it.
All the best.
Grandpaprents is close family, you get 1 days compassionate leave.
They are bullshitting anyway in a particuarly sneaky and unpleasant way.
Please don't let them get away with it.
All the best.
I understood it was 1 day, a few years ago, my grandfather died, and I never did fly home, but was not in condition to work so, they gave me a compassion day, and I stayed home. I asked my bosses, should I take a days holidays or what, and they said no, I am entitled to a compassion day.
If you have the paperwork from your last leave, tell them... and ask to see the company policy if this has changed.
If you have the paperwork from your last leave, tell them... and ask to see the company policy if this has changed.
unfortunately the norm is to get one day for your own wedding, birth of your own child, death of closest family member (only father, mother, brother, sister)
Unfortunately grand parents are not seen as closest family in many companies. As there is no law it totally depends on your companies vacation policy. Ask them to hand it out to you.
You still can argue that you have the signed holiday request but if they have any auditors in the house or other collegues get to know about the "exception" they made they are in the shits.
After all it doesn't matter if the person is still with the company or not. The person who was in charge can stil be held responsible. So the arguement "he/she is not with us anymore" is irrelevant
Unfortunately grand parents are not seen as closest family in many companies. As there is no law it totally depends on your companies vacation policy. Ask them to hand it out to you.
You still can argue that you have the signed holiday request but if they have any auditors in the house or other collegues get to know about the "exception" they made they are in the shits.
After all it doesn't matter if the person is still with the company or not. The person who was in charge can stil be held responsible. So the arguement "he/she is not with us anymore" is irrelevant
I think this is more of a case of a mix up more than them being sneaky. I got on well with the last MD (The one who verbally agreed my leave) and it was him that signed the different policy. He'd say one thing one minute and then forget the next, but always stuck to agreements.
The new boss is ok as well, so I'll speak to him on Wednesday and sort it out.
I think I am more peeved that they are bringing this to my attention nearly 4 months after the funeral!!
Failing that, my Mum works in the HR department for our UK head office and told me that if it had been agreed verbally, then they have to stick to it.
The new boss is ok as well, so I'll speak to him on Wednesday and sort it out.
I think I am more peeved that they are bringing this to my attention nearly 4 months after the funeral!!
Failing that, my Mum works in the HR department for our UK head office and told me that if it had been agreed verbally, then they have to stick to it.
If it is a large company, also speak to the Betriebsrat.
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that if it had been agreed verbally, then they have to stick to it.
She is totally right but you still have to proof that it had been agreed. Do you have an e-mail or anything? Has somebody witnessed the verbal agreement?
Can you just have a compromise and say you will work overtime?
You definitely should talk to your Betriebsrat if u have one. Good idea MT
Legally, you are not entitled to any special leave (Sonderurlaub) except Erholungsurlaub (recovery from illness or operation) unless you work in the public sector (which I assume you don't - unless the German gov't head offices are now in the U.K.).
Most companies seem to allow 1 day at minimum for things like marriage, birth of a child, death etc. This should normally be defined in your company Betriebsvereinbarung or in your contract itself.
If you have a Betriebsrat, ask them and get a copy of your Betriebsvereinbarung (company employer/employee agreement). And check your contract. Other than that, verbal agreements are the same as no agreement at all.
Most companies seem to allow 1 day at minimum for things like marriage, birth of a child, death etc. This should normally be defined in your company Betriebsvereinbarung or in your contract itself.
If you have a Betriebsrat, ask them and get a copy of your Betriebsvereinbarung (company employer/employee agreement). And check your contract. Other than that, verbal agreements are the same as no agreement at all.
QUOTE (Iceberg Slim @ Aug 8 2005, 11:47 am)
Most companies seem to allow 1 day at minimum for things like marriage, birth of a child, death etc.
What if your in labor for more than 24hrs?
Do you cross your legs and run back to work
ha bloody ha!
it means for the father, i assume.
it means for the father, i assume.
QUOTE (3 Lions @ Aug 8 2005, 11:03 am)
I think this is more of a case of a mix up more than them being sneaky. I got on well with the last MD (The one who verbally agreed my leave) and it was him that signed the different policy. He'd say one thing one minute and then forget the next, but always stuck to agreements.
The new boss is ok as well, so I'll speak to him on Wednesday and sort it out.
I think I am more peeved that they are bringing this to my attention nearly 4 months after the funeral!!
Failing that, my Mum works in the HR department for our UK head office and told me that if it had been agreed verbally, then they have to stick to it.
The new boss is ok as well, so I'll speak to him on Wednesday and sort it out.
I think I am more peeved that they are bringing this to my attention nearly 4 months after the funeral!!
Failing that, my Mum works in the HR department for our UK head office and told me that if it had been agreed verbally, then they have to stick to it.
That's the idea, my boy...if all else fails, tell your Mom,
sorry 3 lions, my boss thought I could have a day off for my gran's funeral, too. He told me to book it as compassionate leave, but a colleague in the room said he wasn't sure it was correct. So we checked with HR, and it's only for siblings and parents, not grandparents.
An honest mistake.
JB xxx.
An honest mistake.
JB xxx.
Think it depends on company policy as I had one day for my grandfathers funeral
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it means for the father, i assume.
I thought now being in the cuddly EU that Dads got something nuts like 3 months paternity leave or whatever?
All sorted. They came to me this morning and said that if that was the original agreement, then the 1 day leave is ok. But if it ever happens again, I dont get any leave...
Better put my 2 remaining Gran's on ice then!!
Better put my 2 remaining Gran's on ice then!!
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