ACL surgery with Sportmedizin at Wolfart Klinik

I can second this recommendation. Saw Dr Öttl this morning and he was really good, perfect English, diagnosed my screwed knee quickly, explained every thing with regards of how and what had happened, how it heals, why he needs to do stuff and was friendly about it too. The staff are friendly and sweet as well.

I think you mean thirded.. or fourthed or or or... He seems to be becoming the resident TT knee doctor

And the reha place upstairs are great too.
Massive thanks from me to Uli and the team at Reha Nymphenburg, upstairs above Öttl/Rembeck/Kinateder/et al.
Last night was my last physio session, my knee is now sorted so I just celebrated with a heavy circuit training class.
ACL Operation 16th March 2006, 100% A-OK 11th December 2006 - I'm pretty chuffed with that.
And so is Uli - friendly, English-speaking (like most of the staff), competent.
Can't recommend the two places highly enough.

Just in time for the ski season this year Katrina!

Felix Neureuther, Germany's best current hope in men's skiing, busted his shoulder at the weekend.
His operation will be done at the OCM in Sendling with the operation being done by Prof. Dr. med. Ernst Wiedemann, who is apparently the top man for shoulders in Germany.
Thought I'd park this info here for future reference (hope that nobody needs the info though!).

Uli at Reha Nymphenburg now treats TT poster Lassie - except she keeps on giving him messages for me ha ha ha
And MadAxeMurderer - get thee back to a doctor! There's far too much scar tissue on that knee, no wonder your back hurts.

Hurt my knee the other week. Was just picking something up off the floor (head was close to knee) therefore all my weight on 1 leg and I heard a weird sound. Since then the knee is aching alot and generally feeling weak. It aches more when knee is bent, such as sitting at work than when keeping leg straight (walking or laying)

It hasn't swelled a noticeable amount, so wondering whats wrong. Never had any problems with knees despite playing sports all my life, so feels very disconcerting now. My mate did he cruciate ligament in and apart from the initial pain, said he didn't feel anything. What happens when u tear ligaments, just lose power in the knee but otherwise OK. Some people have ruptured cartilage etc and swells up a lot.

What do u think? Hopefully its just a strain or something, but want to find out cos I want to play football etc.

Anyway, this thread has talked about the sportklinik-muenchen, but I just have AOK insurance. I called the sportklinik-muenchen and they gave me the address of a normal doctor that has the same address of Nymphenburger Strasse 108a, D-80636 München. So he must be good? I rang them up and got an appointment.

Or can anyone recommend a non-private Doctor?

Go to your Hausartzt. Or get one. Pay the 10 euros for the year / or quater depending on your kasse. Get him to check the knee and then he'll reccomend you onto the specialist. While your at it book a full check up and save money at the same time. There are plenty of Non-Priate doctors, and I know the Wohlfahrt klinik deals with anybody just the same, no mater what their kasse.

I doubt it'll be an ACL tear from doing what you described. I've seen doctor öttl at 108a Nymbphenburger Str and he was really good, but I'm not sure if it'll be the same one on public insurance.

What was the name of the doctor that you now have an appointment with?

And gideon is right - for the state insured, your first stop should be your Hausarzt. If you need further treatment, you'll be referred onwards.
It may not be a torn ACL (the thing most ACL people notice is that the knee "gives out", it has no stability at all, rather than pain) as hutcho says too.

I now have an appointment with:

Dr. Stefan Beyerlein
Facharzt für Orthopädie
Sportmedizin • Akupunktur
http://www.dr-beyerlein.com/

Without finding out for sure, if they accept appointments and don't ask if I have private or normal insurance, they must be non-private?

Will go by my Haus Artzt tonight, cos cant remember his name. But going to a non-private knee doctor is hopefully faster due to bypassing the Haus Artzt visit.

Faster? Maybe. More expensive? Certainly.
Think you'll have to pay your 10€ Praxisgebühr at every visit, instead of the 10€ quarterly. Plus that goes down if you use the AOK Hausarzt-Modell.
You might not even actually need a knee specialist, but your Hausarzt will know better than a load of webmongs.

Beyerlein is at the same clinic as Öttl where I went - have heard good things about him. Can't remember who from though. Probably another crippled TTer - it'll come to me.

Hope you get sorted.

I'm the one who had Beyerlein. He's great, dealt well with my bustin' out crying at my (repeat) knee injury (when it hardly hurt at all I didn't believe it could be a repeat tear until he told me...) and I got operated on by Öttl anyway. I'm publicly insured too. Just saw him Friday again for my year's update -- all is good, couldn't be better. I do need to do more Argentinian Tango though, strengthen up that twisting action.

Seems like for the publicly insured Beyerlein is the back door into the Klinik and more importantly Oettl.

Well I have the Haus Artzt visit (already been this quarter anyway) on Friday and Beyerlein on Tuesday. So see what happens, hopefully nothing serious.

Hi,

Not read all the thread, so sorry if I am being a bigger pest than usual.

As you may know, 9 days ago, I duffed my knee up.. It swelled quite badly, then the swelling slowly subsided...

I thought it was just a Bursitis, as I have had it before in my other Knee... Now this time, there was a huge amount of bruising where as there asnt any last time..

The joint is very very painful, not to stand on but when sat with my leg stightly bent!!! Also it has Locked (5times) when I have been knelt down...

I plan to see the Quack tomorrow, but if he says that I need further treatment (ie an opp), what sort of recovery rate can I expect.. I know when I had Keyhole work done on my shoulder, I was back working in a few days..

Thanks

Geoff

Your doctor can tell you better than anyone here to be honest, seeing as he'll be qualified to, especially as you don't know what is actually wrong with your knee.

Post-surgery my ACL recovery was as follows if it helps:
5 days hospital, 16 days home with straight brace on mostly and DonJoy bendable brace 1hr per day on crutches, 3 weeks Kür with straight brace on at night only for first week, DonJoy rest, off crutches off second week, brace free 5 weeks post-op, 6 weeks total off.

But I have a desk job.

Sport, twist & impact activities ban: 6 months (so no running, jogging, aerobic, swimming breaststroke, hiking downhill, alpine sports... cycling fine)

Don't forget to do your physio op or no op - skimping on that will make a huge difference between risking arthritis later on and being able to rave towards the grave.

Good luck!

Poo!

What's more important - being able to walk without pain or some job? Sorry, knee troubles could takes ages or can be solved quickly, but only your doctor can really tell you what to expect.

What makes you think you've done your ACL? Doing your ACL is a pretty serious injury and there is a lot of recovery time. Its also not easy to do, you really have to twist the bottom of your leg in the opposite way to the top of your leg pretty damn good. People do it a lot when skiing cause they have a great big lever attached to their foot. You can of course do it in other sports, but to do it in day to day activities would be very unusual.

There are lots of other injuries you can have to your knee's, and they are almost all better than doing your ACL. My Dad had problems with his Meniscus - a much more common problem - and had key hole surgery on both knee's at the same time and then ran a marathon 1 week later.

Been to 2 quacks today..

Refered MRI scan... Certainly need one op to remove the Bursa and the second injury is as Hutcho says, probably just a miniscus that needs trimming!

Lets see what happens on Wednesday!

G

Yeh, my Dad had to do the same thing - MRI, and then trim of the Meniscus. Like I say, if it's just that, you'll be back walking/working amazingly quickly.

And off I go again. My other knee (that they have not touched) is playing up now, it's been getting progressively worse over the last few months. No idea why :-(

Appt for tomorras...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*fires up KFC Red Cross Delivery Service on standby*

What is it about knees right now? seb is having her meniscus trim today. Bah.

I have a hunch this may be a meniscus thing too. I hope I don't need to go in for a short back & sides :-(

That sucks Tom. Hope its nothing major!!

Sitting here in my knee brace if that makes you feel any better.

I went docs yesterday, having scan on the 9th August. I believe it also to be a meniscus problem.

Is it really asking too much that they just retrofit us all with terminator style titanium knees/legs?

Sooo, probably cartilage damage due to off-centre kneecap :-(

MRI today, docs again tomorrow. Treatment is a series of 5 kneejections of a greasy stuff that lubricates and smooths it, if it's not too bad. That or a light "clean it up a bit" surgery.

The injections scare me a hell of a lot more than the surgery so I don't know if I want it to be better (Injections) or worse(surgery).



This has nothing to do with my ACL-repaired knee, btw.

Didn't you have to do the anti-thrombosis jabs into your belly following your first bit of knee surgery ? Pscyching yourself up to do that for several days post-op normally sorts out the injection fear

Boooooooooooo.
But I'll still laugh at your KY Jelly Knee
And DIY stomach jabs makes anyone triple hard. FACT.

BTW seb had her menicus tidy on Tues, out of hospital today, hurrah!

I could not handle those tiiiny anti-thrombosis jabs. They were tiny, teeny weeny, but I could not do them. Wendy had to do them and I cringed and tensed like a baby.

Me & needles, just don't go together.

Highly irrational I know. I did get used to them at one point about 5 years ago as I was going in for regular blood tests due to a virus I was sick from. There I was, happy as Larry "go on, get the blood, i'm fine with needles now" and this b*tch took about 6 attempts at missing, inducing great pain in the process and just laughing about how she can't seem to find a vein.

Now the phobia is stronger than ever.

dude ...'tiny' were the ones in hospital with the ultra-thin needles that just slipped into your belly without you noticing ...the Aphotheke ones were not tiny ..they were like nails ...after a week or so of that it kinda looked like you'd been shot up in your abdomen ..50 Cent stylee

any road, the big needle into your knee can't have been that bad ?? there's not many nerves down at the side and i thought it was therapeutic having the fluid pulled out...

Was that a question? I have no idea and am not keen on the idea of finding out. I have never had a needle in my knee.

Tubes yes, but I was asleep when they did that so it was easy

It will probably be Hyalart he will inject you with - I have just had a round of 5 injections and they are really not sore. OK maybe a little bit but it fades in a matter of seconds. The first time left a bruise but after that it was fine.

the anti-thrombosis things were fine by me, but the one time when the doctor had to stick that big needle in my knee to extract some liquid out was the worse. Anyway, it's all 4 years ago already, and I'm glad things went overall fine.

Well, the radiologist doc guy reckons it's meniscus and that they will need to fix it up :-(

Will see what Dr Kinateder says in 1hr...

Good luck!

Good luck!!
Say hi to Dr Tim from me and tell him my knee works lovely now!

Too late, sorry

But I will tell him when I see him again on the 23rd August... for surgery :-(

doh! you sporty people... its just do dangerous!

But this was not a sporting injury

Sport ist Mord.
Well Tom17, at least we all know where the clinic is
Shit luck that is, but it will go well and you'll be all fixed for ski season when you can go fuck it up. Again.

Yep, it's an easy one by the sounds of it. Just a meniscus trim. Sounds like i'm going for a haircut.

Truth be told I am more afraid of hairdressers than surgeons (Yes, my other irrational fear).

How is Seb doing? I imagine mine will be a similar recovery path...

Hairdressers? This explains it all.
seb will prob post later, her one was a second operation on the same knee so she's a bit sore and swollen, but I'll let her tell you all.

Explains what exactly? My hideous DIY haircuts?

Hrrmm... should I change this topic to "Meniscus surgery" now? Or just a nice generic "Knee surgery"? The thread has branched out a bit now and don't fancy there being another thread on it...

Hey tom17. Sorry to hear you need surgery again! As katrina said i had mine done again (same knee) on tuesday - had part of both the outer and inner meniscus removed in the end. Two nights in hospital and was let out yesterday. Pretty sore and no drugs from the hospital so suffering a bit. Am off to Peru at the end of September trekking and the docs seem to think it will be okay by then so fingers x'd. Start physio properly next week but lots of exercises to do at home at the moment instead. Good luck with it but def a qucker and less painful recovery than ACL surgery.

Oh and a couple of anti-thrombosis jabs in the hospital from the nurses but dont have to have any more and more importantly dont need to do them myself - not sure I could do that either!

Thanks for the insight seb Sounds like it will be fine compared to last time. I'm not actually anxious about it so tha's cool.

Big old 'phew' on the anti-thrombosis jabs

It's true - my husband is a wuss (about needles) and a dummy for f**king up his knee again, grrrr.

But I love him anyway and will happily jab him with the needles muahahahaha - should they be required.
Needless to say when I had my broken ankle I had to administer them to myself, it's true, makes you hard man.
(hmm do we seem to have more than our share of injuries and hospital stays as a couple?)

So yes it's back to the land of beer with meals and private rooms with Balkons in Grafelfing for a knee haircut.

And hopefully doing the EXERCISES AT HOME (thank you Seb) business which we neglected the first time around.

Bupa schmupa won't let me be an in-patient. I have to trek home after the op. This is upsetting for me.

I keep envisioning me wandering round with my blood tubes hanging out of my knee and its making me shudder and cringe.

Op is set for 22nd@12:15