Fined €2,400 for insulting the police

Hi All,

Here's my update on my case as it's trial day:

A. Had more professional advice from two lawyes prior to this day which confirmed the status of the Police in Germany. They have the status of Judges so their words are believed by the courts - Shit!!! Doesn't matter too much that I can prove discrepancies in their evidence. One guy was an old bayerish lawyer who couldn't believe that someone could even dare call a police man 'Racist'.
B. Collected a good range of evidence to show that I wasn't late and stressed and that owing to my illness that being detained cause me to flip out. Check-in times, letter from Police, Doctor's letters, Hospital letters, Side effects of the valium etc.
C. My nice lawyer spoke to the judge and staatsanwalt before hand to do a deal. Judge was nice and said sort it out with the Public Prosecutioner: He didn't seem to want to discuss it and believes the police version: stressed out rude guy arrives late for flight...we have sent thru part of our evidence and he said we have to finish of the case today in Court.
D. My nice lawyer said it is still worth going to court to state my version of events (reduce the fine as well if pos.) but more importantly to try prevent me gettting a police record.

So I will be saying that 1. I wasn't a late stress out rude guy and spoke german for 20 minutes to the police to be nice 2. I fell ill and said stuff that I shouldn't have for which I am sorry.

I'm already not looking forward to it...nevermind I will take some valium tablets to calm down my nerves...don't wish me luck as I need more than that!!! By the way, I'm doing a Chinese course this week in London so flew back yesterday for this case and will be missing my second lesson - bummer...interesting language it is - can thoroughly recommend it...

Regards

Stanford

PS. The legal system and court process do represent what society as a whole wants or believe is justice...the system here is very different from the UK in the way evidence is collected etc. I've definitely learnt a lot.

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don't take too many valium, especially don't let anyone see you take them! i hope it works out in the end. you've got big balls for going through this.

Hi All,

Just got back from the Court in Erding and it went as follows:

Only one policeman turned up and not even the main player - so we had no one to question about the lies...
Never mind, I still said my sorries to the police man and we tried for 1,400 Euros but the judge piped in said I should make a donation to the police benevolent fund - so in the end its £1,800 a saving of 600 Euros...
But more in importantly I shalln't have a criminal record.

So the saving's can go on my flight back and to my nice lawyer. But at least I don't have a record!!! By the way I didn't pop any valium - just needed a plastic bag (and that wasn't to be sick in!!!).

Regards

Clive

PS. The judge said at the end I should find the main player as I flying in and out of Munich and also say sorry to him...so that's it.

I'm just waiting back to here from the EU - more on the process of the whole affair...

PS. Luckily I've just negotiated a pay rise so it will come in handy...

@stanford

Well only you can decide if you're happy with the outcome or not, but more importantly - I hope that there's some closure on the subject for you.

Good luck.

you got a chance for your side to be heard, no police record, and a reduced fine. I say congrats to you then

Thanks guys,

It was what we expected* so I'm not angry...I tried my best and it's time to draw a line in the sand so to speak...but more importantly is no criminal record...

* Not the bloody Police benevolunt fund but you can't win everything...

PS. Back to my Chinese course in London...see ya.

Good luck.

When you are back, can you help me take on Deutsche Telecom for the €112 they owe me?

Cheers

@Stanford

Err, what did you need the plastic bag for? I am very glad for you that you'll have no criminal record, congrats on that!

MajorBummer,

You use the plastic bag to regulate your breathing when having a panic attack...it's a first step before popping any valium tablets!!! So I used that to steady the old nerves...

Stanford

Nothing so exciting I'm afraid...

By the way the 3rd but my second Chinese lesson was interesting...I think I will join the course for September...I can recommend it to any one looking for a new challenge

@Stanford

Would love to learn Chinese, but first I have become fluent in Italian. Chinese is next. Keep up the good work.

Well done! Too late now, but couldn't you have offered to put it towards an anti-racist charity instead of the police?

Choose your words more carefully in the future Could one get away with "In my opinion you are being racist," I wonder? I'll let you try it out

Thanks OhfFF - not likely to be trying that one out just yet!!!

I'd preffer the Bayerischer Border police learnt english. Last nite on my trip - they doubled checked as usually that I matched my photo and then the Bauer Policeman said you live in Manchester right. (Of course in English) as I don't dare speak German anymore (don't want any problems with DU).

The Stupid XXX was reading the born in Manchester in the passport wrongly - to which I replied no I live here. The women policeman next to him looked perplexed by my answer - not sure if she was able to understand especially as I used my finger to mean Munich...

So I hope my 500 Euros in the Police Benevolunt Fund goes for English lesson for the border police...I'd be so happy - I might even increase my donation to 750 Euros...

2400EUR isn't too bad, considering the fact that if you insult a cop in the US you might get the shit kicked out of you and indirectly pay about $10,000 for a trip to the Emergency Room OR.

Well done Stanford, not a perfect outcome but better than it could have been.

Court rules Cops can be called Bulls

"..."Bulle" is widely used in oral speech, known by everyone, and is not necessarily meant to compare the police officers to an easily excitable, aggressive animal that tends toward blind, unconsidered acts of violence."

I think it's quite disturbing that the courts give the police so much power here. It really does leave the way clear for abuse. But good for you for standing up for yourself!

I have read the original thread and this thread, but it seems that much information is lacking and I not of understanding why the authorities want to fine you. Can you tell your 50% of the story.

Sorry stanford but you should have written to the EU..

That would have a greater effect than anything else you did..

In addition to the Treaty of Amsterdam a look at the "EU common border manual" might be useful.. Start here.. http://www.statewatch.org/news/2005/jun/eu...de-analysis.pdf

It saddens me that someone who appears to be intelligent seems to have lost sight of the simple fact that the actions of the police were ILLEGAL. Despite what some people have written above (in this and the other thread) being nervous, unfriendly, badly dressed etc was no excuse for the officers to break the law. By not writing to the EU you should at least share some of the blame should similar events between those guards and other "racially profiled immigrants" happen in the future. But then again intelligence and courage are not the same thing.

“Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others.� ~ Aristotle ~