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Ban on smoking in public and tobacco advertising
Germany will introduce these laws - but when?
So when does Germany plan on banning cigarette advertising and then smoking all together?
Cigarette advertising, I thought this was already in force as an EU thing, and as for smoking, it is being discussed, although I guess nothing will happen for a little while !
There was a long TT discussion related to this earlier in the year: smoking ban in Munich
Don't think it's quite so easy - somehow Germans don't seem bothered about damaging their health - in fact, to my horror and amazement, they actually encourage it at one institute where I teach - most students say they smoke more there because of all the breaks!
if you go to the cinema nearly all the advertising before the films are for cigarettes
I'm a non-smoker myself but don't really agree with a TOTAL ban on smoking in public. smokers have the right to choose to smoke just as I have the right to choose not to smoke.
I've no qualms about telling someone to move an ashtray/cigarette/etc away from me though, especially if I'm eating. And still think that smokers get more breaks at (our) work cuz they always go for a ciggy. I can't just 'go for a ten minute skive' but smokers can bugger off for ten minutes for a ciggy throughout the day!
I've no qualms about telling someone to move an ashtray/cigarette/etc away from me though, especially if I'm eating. And still think that smokers get more breaks at (our) work cuz they always go for a ciggy. I can't just 'go for a ten minute skive' but smokers can bugger off for ten minutes for a ciggy throughout the day!
The way i see it you either smoke or don't therefore for every place you can smoke surely there should be a place you can't smoke. Equal opportunity!!!
What I think is funny is how, in my office, when I make microwave popcorn all the cigarette smokers complain that it smells like burned milk. And complain they do! But, hell, at least the smell of popcorn isn't damaging their health while their cigarettes (with the secondhand smoke) is certainly damaging mine!!
It will not happen in France, Italy, Spain or Germany. Simple as.
I thought there was a ban in Italy.
There is a ban in Italy! I was just there over the weekend and what a relief to eat my dinner without breathing in second hand smoke! I never thought Italy would outlaw it in restaurants, if they can do it so can Germany.
I have a question. I'm going to be working in an office this winter. Right now the smokers go out on the balcony, but when winter comes will they have the right to smoke inside? I have a bad allergic reaction to cigarette smoke, and now I'm a bit worried about whether I'm going to be exposed to it indoors. As it is I can't even go into restaurants in the winter -- but the office? Yikes. It never occurred to me it might be a problem. What are the laws on smoking in the workplace here?
It will depend on the companies policy, as it stands I don't think there is any regulation against it. People smoke at their desks in my company.
I was shocked when I first started and was told that I was welcome to smoke at my desk. There are only 6 people on my floor and I am the only smoker, I declined.
I was shocked when I first started and was told that I was welcome to smoke at my desk. There are only 6 people on my floor and I am the only smoker, I declined.
At last the pubs in the UK are going to cater for the non-smoker with a ban of smoking at the bar.
A mate of mine has just got back from Ireland and says that the smoking ban has made no difference to the amount of money spent at the bar or even the quality of pub life... the only difference is the amount of cigerettes sold over the counter.
I think the German government are afraid to pass a ban on smoking in public, they are terrified of losing the revenue. Most of the ads seem to have bugga all to do with smoking, they are still trying to push the cool attitude to smokin with sexy women.
A mate of mine has just got back from Ireland and says that the smoking ban has made no difference to the amount of money spent at the bar or even the quality of pub life... the only difference is the amount of cigerettes sold over the counter.
I think the German government are afraid to pass a ban on smoking in public, they are terrified of losing the revenue. Most of the ads seem to have bugga all to do with smoking, they are still trying to push the cool attitude to smokin with sexy women.
If your assumption is correct Slack at least the German Gov. aren't being hypocritical about it.
The UK lot spend a fortune of taxpayers' dosh on advert campaigns telling us how bad smoking is for us and yet don't simply ban the import and sale of cigarettes althogether.
Yet when they're asked they constantly deny not banning cigarettes is due to the loss of tax revenue - Instead they say it's because people should be "given the choice" as we "do not live in a Nanny State".
...Interesting...So if the UK government isn't nannying us why then am I not allowed to buy more than 12 paracetamol at a time? When will we finally be given the choice about the Euro and the constitution? Why weren't we asked about Iraq? and why when the House of Lords refused to pass a ban on hunting with dogs 3 times did the government create a law that allows them to ignore the House of Lords if the government can't get their own way?
I don't necessarily agree with hunting with dogs before I get a torrent of abuse; I just don't like living in a dicatatorship and don't think they should be spending time and money debating hunting when there are much more important things to debate in the House of Commons right now - Like A3's current run-ins with other board members.
Can someone help me down off me soapbox please!
The UK lot spend a fortune of taxpayers' dosh on advert campaigns telling us how bad smoking is for us and yet don't simply ban the import and sale of cigarettes althogether.
Yet when they're asked they constantly deny not banning cigarettes is due to the loss of tax revenue - Instead they say it's because people should be "given the choice" as we "do not live in a Nanny State".
...Interesting...So if the UK government isn't nannying us why then am I not allowed to buy more than 12 paracetamol at a time? When will we finally be given the choice about the Euro and the constitution? Why weren't we asked about Iraq? and why when the House of Lords refused to pass a ban on hunting with dogs 3 times did the government create a law that allows them to ignore the House of Lords if the government can't get their own way?
I don't necessarily agree with hunting with dogs before I get a torrent of abuse; I just don't like living in a dicatatorship and don't think they should be spending time and money debating hunting when there are much more important things to debate in the House of Commons right now - Like A3's current run-ins with other board members.
Can someone help me down off me soapbox please!
In English.
The Bundestag is looking to ban smoking in trains, restaurants, offices and educational facilities...
Germany is looking to become smokefree (US style)...
The Bundestag is looking to ban smoking in trains, restaurants, offices and educational facilities...
Germany is looking to become smokefree (US style)...
Yea, right... that'll be the day. There are so many smokers here and it was Germany that has always been blocking an EU-wide ban on Cigarette advertising and other anti-tabacco measures.
The Lobbyists will prevent this from happening. They have far too much power influence.
If people push this through... F#CK! A pub without smoke isn't a pub and the smoke isn't the last thing they will stop... next is gonna be crisps or fatty pub food cause it damages public health... buggers...
What I heard from Ireland, loads of people want the smoking ban gone, due to the reason that suddenly all the smells you have in a public place where loads of people meet, makes you feel quite uncomfortable. What are you gonna do? Prohibit sweating, farting, kitchens and toilets? Probably...
What I heard from Ireland, loads of people want the smoking ban gone, due to the reason that suddenly all the smells you have in a public place where loads of people meet, makes you feel quite uncomfortable. What are you gonna do? Prohibit sweating, farting, kitchens and toilets? Probably...
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Jun 5 2006, 4:31 pm) 
suddenly all the smells you have in a public place where loads of people meet, makes you feel quite uncomfortable. What are you gonna do? Prohibit sweating, farting, kitchens and toilets?
Or they could try better personal hygiene, civilised behaviour and proper ventilation in kitchens and toilets.
Oh my here we go again . . .
He asked for it.
Yeah, we actually could stop digesting food, since we don't digest anymore, we don't need a kitchen nor toilets. OK, no we need toilets since we probably do drink in the pub, but drinking alcoholic beverages leds physiological to an increased level of sweat production. This problem could be solved in prohibiting pubs from selling alcoholic beverages. Nice prospects...
To my mind, that's going to far. I'd rather just see smoking banned.
Jean-Pierre
Jean-Pierre
QUOTE (Slackmack @ Sep 18 2004, 7:25 am)
A mate of mine has just got back from Ireland and says that the smoking ban has made no difference to the amount of money spent at the bar or even the quality of pub life... the only difference is the amount of cigerettes sold over the counter.
I'm from Ireland myself and I'd say it has made a difference personally. The overall concenous both from smokers and non smokers has been surprisingly positive. I know a lot of smokers and I dont know of a single person who is against it. Surprising I know. Considoring the freezing cold in Ireland. Tobacco sales have gone down but there leveling out now.
Granted there is the obvious benefits everyone is familiar with but other not so obvious ones. For example all smokers now have to go outside the pub now to have a fag and in doing so its very easy to strike up conversations with fellow smokers. Very handy for meeting women. I dont smoke myself but sometimes I wish I did.
Another thing I've noticed and friends also is that the 'gang' you go out with breaks up more easily. With people constantly going in and out having a fag its hard for friends to stick together. Especially if you have a fair few smokers as friends. Its a bit impossible too when the place such as a nightclub is busy. Thats probably the most annoying disadvantage.
But overall it is very good. When I was in Germany last year I realised (after being in a few 'Irish' pubs) how uncomfortable it was being surronded by smoke. My lungs went crazy and I stank of smoke. I'm not biased against smoking myself but after seeing it in action in Ireland, I'd definitly be for it in Germany
QUOTE (Disgusting Surprise @ Jun 7 2006, 11:37 am)
Granted there is the obvious benefits everyone is familiar with but other not so obvious ones. For example all smokers now have to go outside the pub now to have a fag and in doing so its very easy to strike up conversations with fellow smokers. Very handy for meeting women. I dont smoke myself but sometimes I wish I did.
And very helpful for meeting guys as well I might add. Probably the only fun part about smoking was that little community that formed as soon as designated smoking areas and smoking bans started.
At least I thought so until I realized some of the "cool" people were not smoking and could either hang out with us smokers OR with the other people. (Obviously none of them were named JP)
QUOTE (DDBug @ Jun 7 2006, 11:41 am)
At least I thought so until I realized some of the "cool" people were not smoking and could either hang out with us smokers OR with the other people. (Obviously none of them were named JP)
Would that make a difference, do you think?
Jean-Pierre
If people push this through... F#CK! A pub without smoke isn't a pub and the smoke isn't the last thing they will stop... next is gonna be crisps or fatty pub food cause it damages public health... buggers...
Go to a country where there is no smoking allowed in a pub and you will still have a good time even with out smoke.
Go to a country where there is no smoking allowed in a pub and you will still have a good time even with out smoke.
This is the British answer!!! So the public through their MPs vote for a ban on smoking in public but the high handed Peers think they know better!
Read the full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5053350.stm
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Peers attack public smoking ban!
A ban on smoking in public places is not justified by the risks to health from passive smoking, a committee of peers has said.
MPs voted in February by a huge margin to ban smoking from all pubs and private members' clubs in England.
The House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee says MPs failed to consider evidence that passive smoking is more risky in the home.
A ban on smoking in public places is not justified by the risks to health from passive smoking, a committee of peers has said.
MPs voted in February by a huge margin to ban smoking from all pubs and private members' clubs in England.
The House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee says MPs failed to consider evidence that passive smoking is more risky in the home.
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Deborah Arnott, of the anti-smoking charity Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), said the scientific evidence on the harmful nature of secondhand smoke was "overwhelming".
The aims of the legislation are crystal clear: to improve public health by minimising people's exposure to a major carcinogen
Deborah Arnott of the anti-smoking charity Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), said the scientific evidence on the harmful nature of secondhand smoke was "overwhelming".
She said the government's Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health had twice reviewed the evidence and found secondhand smoke to be a cause of lung cancer and heart disease.
Breathing other people's smoke in the workplace was estimated to cause around 600 premature deaths a year she said.
The aims of the legislation are crystal clear: to improve public health by minimising people's exposure to a major carcinogen
Deborah Arnott of the anti-smoking charity Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), said the scientific evidence on the harmful nature of secondhand smoke was "overwhelming".
She said the government's Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health had twice reviewed the evidence and found secondhand smoke to be a cause of lung cancer and heart disease.
Breathing other people's smoke in the workplace was estimated to cause around 600 premature deaths a year she said.
Read the full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5053350.stm
A start.
Die Bahn will be introducting all smokefree BordBristo's on board their long distance trains. ICs, ECs und ICEs
I have been stuck in the Bistro on an IC that didn't have a non-smoking section. This is very much welcomed.
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,425734,00.html
In German.
Die Bahn will be introducting all smokefree BordBristo's on board their long distance trains. ICs, ECs und ICEs
I have been stuck in the Bistro on an IC that didn't have a non-smoking section. This is very much welcomed.
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,425734,00.html
In German.
QUOTE (Mulba @ Jun 7 2006, 7:54 pm)
Go to a country where there is no smoking allowed in a pub and you will still have a good time even with out smoke.
Living in a country with a smoking ban I can 100% categorically confirm that the ban completely ruins every night out you will ever have.
Next for consideration is a law restricting yourself to 3 or 4 beers per establishment. Even more farcical.
QUOTE (Schotte @ Jul 10 2006, 2:47 pm)
Living in a country with a smoking ban I can 100% categorically confirm that the ban completely ruins every night out you will ever have.
Aye, if you're a smoker
i'm not!
It will happen at some point whether people want it to or not. When it does I'll just have to live with the changes.
@Schotte, so how come it ruins a night out for you?
I think smokers in scotland should be allowed special smoking establishments, the same way there were non smoking extablishments before the ban. This must encroach on civil liberties somewhere along the line??
No more than any other law. It's hardly in contravention of the ECHR, put it that way. Fuck it, let's ban it anyway - it's bad for you mmmmkay.
let's ban motor cars, beer, cake, coca cola...
I reckon it must be challengable on some level in the ECHR! I would have thought that one should be allowed to open a pub especially catering for smokers??
Especially considering there is a flippin airline that does it!!
I reckon it must be challengable on some level in the ECHR! I would have thought that one should be allowed to open a pub especially catering for smokers??
Especially considering there is a flippin airline that does it!!
Nope - ECHR guards fundamental rights - the right 'to have a fag' is not included (unless you include the sexual orientation rules)...
And yes, logically you can ban everything, but who actually NEEDS cigarettes? Nobody.
And yes, logically you can ban everything, but who actually NEEDS cigarettes? Nobody.
who actually needs booze, why don't the government bar that too?
that is the problem with this ban, what will be next??
that is the problem with this ban, what will be next??
Indeed, but that's an argument you could almost apply to anything - first they ban drinking and driving, next it'll be booze altogether, or maybe cars, and after that they'll ban walking, and then it'll be sitting on your arse... Price of 'progress' I'm afraid. I firmly believe that about 80% of the population of Britain are too stupid to make their own minds up though (about anything), so perhaps more governmental control is a good thing.
It's called a slippery slope argument and is considered fallacious (yes, I know my spelling on this one is off)
EDIT: ok I've replaced the "t" with a "c" but it still sounds naughty.
EDIT: ok I've replaced the "t" with a "c" but it still sounds naughty.
QUOTE (Jimbo @ Jul 10 2006, 4:32 pm)
I firmly believe that about 80% of the population of Britain are too stupid to make their own minds up though
Fucking liberal. 95% is far more accurate as well you know.
I was just trying to appear less radical. I actually think the UK should be run by me personally, and I'll make ALL the decisions. The fucking chavs round my way would be the first up against the wall I can tell you.
QUOTE (Schotte @ Jul 10 2006, 2:47 pm)
Living in a country with a smoking ban I can 100% categorically confirm that the ban completely ruins every night out you will ever have.
Next for consideration is a law restricting yourself to 3 or 4 beers per establishment. Even more farcical.
Next for consideration is a law restricting yourself to 3 or 4 beers per establishment. Even more farcical.
Even more farcical than your ridiculous post?
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Jul 10 2006, 4:35 pm)
It's called a slippery slope argument and is considered fallacious
Only because it assumes that one has rather unlimited personal freedom already, which is of course nonsense.
Hey Anthony, lobbied any pub owners this week in munich you nutjob!
I have no Probs with smokers-as long as they dont smoke right in my space and are respectful. Weemun for example smokes but usually smokes away from me when we meet up but its the people who see you having food especially that smoke right in your face. I would honestly like to see a partial ban rather than total ban.
Maybe in a Pub no smoking at the bar or atleast have a no smoking zone where people if having food can eat without somebody having a cigarette sat next to them. I would ban smoking at a Bus Stop but if somebody must smoke they should have the chance to but not under the shelter but a bit away. A number of smokers are thoughless or just dont care that people dont want their passive smoke. Maybe a Partial ban would be good for all as then places where people wait like Bus Stops, Train Stations etc would have a ban but it wouldnt mean that a smoker has nowhere to go but would have to take a little walk normally a few steps or so to smoke without annoying people.
Maybe in a Pub no smoking at the bar or atleast have a no smoking zone where people if having food can eat without somebody having a cigarette sat next to them. I would ban smoking at a Bus Stop but if somebody must smoke they should have the chance to but not under the shelter but a bit away. A number of smokers are thoughless or just dont care that people dont want their passive smoke. Maybe a Partial ban would be good for all as then places where people wait like Bus Stops, Train Stations etc would have a ban but it wouldnt mean that a smoker has nowhere to go but would have to take a little walk normally a few steps or so to smoke without annoying people.
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