Okay.
I have enjoyed these DSDS and Ich bin ein star... silly postings but for once I would be interested to set up a more interesting discussion.
I have a question which I would like to discuss:
What are the main cultural differences between Britain and Germany?
(sorry if it sounds like a Geography essy exam question)!
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Hiya
I know that these are stereotypes and one shoe does not fit all but:
If you are a Christian in the UK people think that you have gone mental and were born with a tambourine in your hand.
If you are a Christian in Germany (particularly in Southern Germany) this is entirely normal (even going on a pilgrimage like to Compostuela - sp? - in Spain isn't that unusual).
Germans have colleagues and friends, the two are separate. British people have friends but go down the pub after work with their colleagues (possibly due to commuting?).
Germans go out with their friends to a bar and sit with their friends as an exclusive group. British people stand with their friends but will talk to other people outside the circle.
British people have a few good friends but many accquaintances. Germans have few accquaintances but their friends are friends for life.
German people watch less telly and eat their meals at a table without watching TV.
British people love their telly and eat on their laps while watching telly.
Just some things off the top of my head.
Any more?
Katrina
I know that these are stereotypes and one shoe does not fit all but:
If you are a Christian in the UK people think that you have gone mental and were born with a tambourine in your hand.
If you are a Christian in Germany (particularly in Southern Germany) this is entirely normal (even going on a pilgrimage like to Compostuela - sp? - in Spain isn't that unusual).
Germans have colleagues and friends, the two are separate. British people have friends but go down the pub after work with their colleagues (possibly due to commuting?).
Germans go out with their friends to a bar and sit with their friends as an exclusive group. British people stand with their friends but will talk to other people outside the circle.
British people have a few good friends but many accquaintances. Germans have few accquaintances but their friends are friends for life.
German people watch less telly and eat their meals at a table without watching TV.
British people love their telly and eat on their laps while watching telly.
Just some things off the top of my head.
Any more?
Katrina
Can a worms there Jeremy
Sometimes I think there are very little differences, sometimes I think they are huge. I think we as expats are probably pretty sensitive to the differences: for all intents and purposes Germany looks the same as Britain / America therefore they are thrown into sharper relief. This would be in contrast to being an expat in a place like Japan where the they are more obvious and thus perhaps subconsciously to a greater extent tolerated.
Sometimes I think there are very little differences, sometimes I think they are huge. I think we as expats are probably pretty sensitive to the differences: for all intents and purposes Germany looks the same as Britain / America therefore they are thrown into sharper relief. This would be in contrast to being an expat in a place like Japan where the they are more obvious and thus perhaps subconsciously to a greater extent tolerated.
In england its rare to find someone with no sense of humour at all, in Germany this is common . The standard german is in fact as serious and as robotic as they are portrayed back home, fact. next.
Spot on MysteryMan.
Recently, there was some topic on the water being hard here or something. If you have lived in Asia, then you see it as quite nice that you can actually drink the water here without getting sick, regardless of whether it stains your bath. The taps in Madras produced some brown muck that you would not even want to bath in.
I am on record for thinking that Germany gets most things wrong, so I won't make any comments comparing it to Britain, apart from one small one. The eating in front of the TV thang.
I think that in Britian, you eat alot more convenience food, whilst here (as I have ranted about 100000 times) bloody everything must be made from scratch unless you go for Dr Oetkers bloody pizza. Therefore, somebody has to spend yonks in the kitchen peeling, chopping and cooking, and thus they may get a bit offended if tha family grabbed a plate and buggered off to the TV. In the UK, sunday dinner is more often than not actually cooked from ingredients, and you are expected at the table. On days when its fish fingers with chips n beans, noone cares if you watch it on front of the telly.
Actuall, its probably more to do with the fact that in England, there is actually some TV to watch, whereas here, there is nothing. Apart from the occasional bit of footy on DSF.
Recently, there was some topic on the water being hard here or something. If you have lived in Asia, then you see it as quite nice that you can actually drink the water here without getting sick, regardless of whether it stains your bath. The taps in Madras produced some brown muck that you would not even want to bath in.
I am on record for thinking that Germany gets most things wrong, so I won't make any comments comparing it to Britain, apart from one small one. The eating in front of the TV thang.
I think that in Britian, you eat alot more convenience food, whilst here (as I have ranted about 100000 times) bloody everything must be made from scratch unless you go for Dr Oetkers bloody pizza. Therefore, somebody has to spend yonks in the kitchen peeling, chopping and cooking, and thus they may get a bit offended if tha family grabbed a plate and buggered off to the TV. In the UK, sunday dinner is more often than not actually cooked from ingredients, and you are expected at the table. On days when its fish fingers with chips n beans, noone cares if you watch it on front of the telly.
Actuall, its probably more to do with the fact that in England, there is actually some TV to watch, whereas here, there is nothing. Apart from the occasional bit of footy on DSF.
Well said Don,
Part of the reason I am so fascinated with guitar is that I am learning everything off the Internet in another room. I can't stand German telly. I heard that when Anglo German couples get a Sky dish the German of the pair ends up watching British telly as it is better.
I virtualy lived off Neighbours with my mates at teatime when I was a student (15 years ago!) Dear old Mrs Mangel... I mean we all had some good telly to watch then! We used to sit taking the p*ss out of it.
Part of the reason I am so fascinated with guitar is that I am learning everything off the Internet in another room. I can't stand German telly. I heard that when Anglo German couples get a Sky dish the German of the pair ends up watching British telly as it is better.
I virtualy lived off Neighbours with my mates at teatime when I was a student (15 years ago!) Dear old Mrs Mangel... I mean we all had some good telly to watch then! We used to sit taking the p*ss out of it.
those long winter nights must have just flown by jeremy... TV is TV, its for morons , end of tv discussion.
the germans seem to have forgotten WWII
the british have not
germans have no incentive to work when unemployed
the british do
the germans think they have the devine right to control europe's destiny
the british don't give a monkey's left tit about europe
the british have not
germans have no incentive to work when unemployed
the british do
the germans think they have the devine right to control europe's destiny
the british don't give a monkey's left tit about europe
I may not be popular for saying this, but it defo needs to be said so here goes - Manners. Manners in Britain involve, saying sorry when u bump into somebody; Manners in Germany involve pushing past someone as hard as possible and not uttering a word!
In a supermarket for example, I have lost count of the amount of times I will be looking at a shelf say and somebody just comes and stands right in front of me. What is all that about?
I appreciate its a cultural thing, it just takes a while to get used too when you first move here.
In a supermarket for example, I have lost count of the amount of times I will be looking at a shelf say and somebody just comes and stands right in front of me. What is all that about?
I appreciate its a cultural thing, it just takes a while to get used too when you first move here.
Amen, Foxy.
@acquascutum - I disagree with your first comment. I think that the germans have far from forgotten WW2. When drunk they seem to love bringing it up with me (being english).
The favourite topic is normally. "I have nothing to feel guilty about, it wasn't me. I am a new generation etc. etc." However the fact that they go on about this for ages, makes me think that may be they do still have hang ups about it all!
The favourite topic is normally. "I have nothing to feel guilty about, it wasn't me. I am a new generation etc. etc." However the fact that they go on about this for ages, makes me think that may be they do still have hang ups about it all!
Its not just in the supermarkets, on a Saturday people just seem to wear blinkers ! tunnel vision, they only see what's infront of them, nothing else matters !
One thing for the German culture, is that they seem to use the spare time better than we do in Britain, but then again there is far more spare time in Germany to be had, more holiday, bank holiday's shorter working weeks !
Sitting in coffee bars and making one cup of coffee last around 3 hours while reading the newspaper !
One thing for the German culture, is that they seem to use the spare time better than we do in Britain, but then again there is far more spare time in Germany to be had, more holiday, bank holiday's shorter working weeks !
Sitting in coffee bars and making one cup of coffee last around 3 hours while reading the newspaper !
@alanbail:
Well it did last winter. I spent it learning Cubase music software and guitar. I became somewhat proficient in making lots of noise and making an awful version of Jealous Guy which is not for public consumption. Still fun tho.
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those long winter nights must have just flown by jeremy... TV is TV, its for morons , end of tv discussion.
Well it did last winter. I spent it learning Cubase music software and guitar. I became somewhat proficient in making lots of noise and making an awful version of Jealous Guy which is not for public consumption. Still fun tho.
I thought that this was going to be a discussion thread not a big long whinge one
Some things are different, some the same.
What some perceive as a lack of manners, might not be truly a lack of manners, rather a cultural difference.
When I first came to Germany, I was surprised when men, instead of holding the door open for me and waiting for me to go through first, would go through the door first and then hold the door for me to come through behind them.
Impolite? No, not here. This men first though the door is actually extremely polite in Germany and comes from a time when chivalrous men would go through a door first to check for danger before allowing a woman to go through.
So it is different. Not better. But not worse either.
Katrina
Some things are different, some the same.
What some perceive as a lack of manners, might not be truly a lack of manners, rather a cultural difference.
When I first came to Germany, I was surprised when men, instead of holding the door open for me and waiting for me to go through first, would go through the door first and then hold the door for me to come through behind them.
Impolite? No, not here. This men first though the door is actually extremely polite in Germany and comes from a time when chivalrous men would go through a door first to check for danger before allowing a woman to go through.
So it is different. Not better. But not worse either.
Katrina
Well said Auntie Katrina!
God was nice to the Bavarians. He gave them lots of holidays which I appreciate.
So Katrina, reversing the logic to the UK, we let women through doors to check if it is first safe for ourselves?
God was nice to the Bavarians. He gave them lots of holidays which I appreciate.
So Katrina, reversing the logic to the UK, we let women through doors to check if it is first safe for ourselves?
I agree for the most point Katrina, but it is is probably somewhere in between the 2. I spent my first year here making excuses for the natives (right Don ) but there are some infuriatingly ignorant people here and sometimes you gotta make a stand. On the other hand it is wrong to get too caught up on it, a lot of it can indeed be put down to cultural differences.
Ach, you're making me sound like a right old dear ha ha.
Mind you I like Bavarians so much, I bought the company (well one of them)!
Mind you I like Bavarians so much, I bought the company (well one of them)!
Good one Katrina.
On another point which was mentioned here, having been here for 5 years I'd disagree with anyone who upholds the culteral stereotype of Germans not having a sense of humour. I've met far too many people here (in fact the majority with whom I've interacted in my time) who have a very good sense of humour. Yes it's completely different to the Irish & British sense of humour, just as these are different to that of Americans (in spelling & content).
On another point which was mentioned here, having been here for 5 years I'd disagree with anyone who upholds the culteral stereotype of Germans not having a sense of humour. I've met far too many people here (in fact the majority with whom I've interacted in my time) who have a very good sense of humour. Yes it's completely different to the Irish & British sense of humour, just as these are different to that of Americans (in spelling & content).
I do appreciate that its just different cultures, and in many ways the Germans are more polite than the British.
A positive difference then to turn around the "moan" is that the Germans really know how to do festivals...festivals for everything, and more beer! Its great I love it!
A positive difference then to turn around the "moan" is that the Germans really know how to do festivals...festivals for everything, and more beer! Its great I love it!
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On days when its fish fingers with chips n beans
Hmmm - that hits the spot Don - know what I'll be eating tonight !!!
I am quite interested in cultural difference per se and am considering doing a Masters in this tpoic (I've heard that LMU will be offering this as distance/evening learning soon ) so that's why I get all "well actually..." about it.
Is a very interesting subject though.
Katrina x
Is a very interesting subject though.
Katrina x
@ Big C
forgotton or selective memory?
i think you've summed up the point i was trying to make...
i've heard it as well...it was 60 years ago, etc...if it was 600 years ago then maybe i'd buy that argument
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I have nothing to feel guilty about, it wasn't me. I am a new generation etc. etc
forgotton or selective memory?
i think you've summed up the point i was trying to make...
i've heard it as well...it was 60 years ago, etc...if it was 600 years ago then maybe i'd buy that argument
So maybe I should go to pains to remind all the English people I meet about the 800 years of oppression which my country suffered at their hands. I mean, all English people should feel guilty about it, right?
why not?
it wouldn't be the first time the english would have been reminded.
if you remind the english be politically correct and remind the scots as well they had a hand in the early repression as well didn't they?
it wouldn't be the first time the english would have been reminded.
if you remind the english be politically correct and remind the scots as well they had a hand in the early repression as well didn't they?
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On another point which was mentioned here, having been here for 5 years I'd disagree with anyone who upholds the culteral stereotype of Germans not having a sense of humour.
We have a very good time in our office with a somewhat cheeky sense of humour amongst us. Very direct and in your face humour. We are mixed, Canadian, British and German.
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On days when its fish fingers with chips n beans, noone cares if you watch it on front of the telly.
quite. wouldn't want to eat that junk. just watch it decay, that's entertainment enough
PS in my book the "let the lady through the door first, whilst holding door open" vs "go through the door first and then let the lady through, whilst holding the door" may be a cultural difference
however, the following are not, they are just plain rude
1/ inability to form an orderly queue (aka compulsion to cheat)
2/ bumping into someone and not apologising
3/ generally most things waiters do
on the non-rant front, I am pleased to announce that on my last-but-one visit to MUC, I was extremely pleasantly surprised by the service at brenners. well done.
however, the following are not, they are just plain rude
1/ inability to form an orderly queue (aka compulsion to cheat)
2/ bumping into someone and not apologising
3/ generally most things waiters do
on the non-rant front, I am pleased to announce that on my last-but-one visit to MUC, I was extremely pleasantly surprised by the service at brenners. well done.
The ettiquette of door holding:
Ummm, I don't know what the "official" rules are (for either nationality) but here's what I've always assumed to be the case -
If the both the lady and the gentleman are approaching the door from the same side, then the gentleman should open the door and allow the lady to enter first. ONLY, however, if the other side of the door is familiar to the lady. If entering unfamiliar territory then the gentleman should enter first "passing" hold of the door to the lady and allowing the lady to follow him in.
That much is simple. It starts to get complicated when the lady and the gentleman are approaching the door from opposite sides. This is where you have to take the direction of the door swing into account.
If the door is "pull" with respect to the gentleman, then it's still fairly easy: the gentleman should ALWAYS pull the door open and allow the lady to pass - whether moving from familiar to unfamiliar territory or vice versa.
Up until this point the lady has always played the passive role. It doesn't matter if she doesn't have a clue about ettiquette because the gentleman can always step in first and guide the lady in what she's supposed to do.
If the door is "push" with respect to the gentleman, however, then it starts to get a little messy. The lady is required to understand that she should hold back and allow the gentleman to pass through the door and THEN he holds the door and allows her to pass. It's with this final permutation that you'll see all sorts of acrobatics performed by those too ignorant to know the rules. Either the lady will assume that she has right of way and will walk through the door into the gentleman who's also trying to pass. Or the gentleman will attempt to hold open the door without actually passing through thus adopting a thoroughly inelegant pose whilst the lady squeezes past him. Not good. She should in this case always stand back. Unfortunately most ladies rarely do.
So now you know. Sorry, a little off topic. But important stuff nonetheless.
Ummm, I don't know what the "official" rules are (for either nationality) but here's what I've always assumed to be the case -
If the both the lady and the gentleman are approaching the door from the same side, then the gentleman should open the door and allow the lady to enter first. ONLY, however, if the other side of the door is familiar to the lady. If entering unfamiliar territory then the gentleman should enter first "passing" hold of the door to the lady and allowing the lady to follow him in.
That much is simple. It starts to get complicated when the lady and the gentleman are approaching the door from opposite sides. This is where you have to take the direction of the door swing into account.
If the door is "pull" with respect to the gentleman, then it's still fairly easy: the gentleman should ALWAYS pull the door open and allow the lady to pass - whether moving from familiar to unfamiliar territory or vice versa.
Up until this point the lady has always played the passive role. It doesn't matter if she doesn't have a clue about ettiquette because the gentleman can always step in first and guide the lady in what she's supposed to do.
If the door is "push" with respect to the gentleman, however, then it starts to get a little messy. The lady is required to understand that she should hold back and allow the gentleman to pass through the door and THEN he holds the door and allows her to pass. It's with this final permutation that you'll see all sorts of acrobatics performed by those too ignorant to know the rules. Either the lady will assume that she has right of way and will walk through the door into the gentleman who's also trying to pass. Or the gentleman will attempt to hold open the door without actually passing through thus adopting a thoroughly inelegant pose whilst the lady squeezes past him. Not good. She should in this case always stand back. Unfortunately most ladies rarely do.
So now you know. Sorry, a little off topic. But important stuff nonetheless.
Yeah, right on Jordigo, attributing everything to "cultural differences" is, I agree, excusing their lack of common courtesy.
Hey this is Munich!
Being a bumpkin from the sticks of north Wales, I saw this crap behaviour also in London.
A few days ago I was in Mangfallplatz U Bahn going down the Rolltreppe, walking cos I am such a fast city type (!) when I found this Bavarian gent with his dog blocking the stairs. Old guy about fity. Lovely dog. I remarked in German how friendly his dog was and he replied fully in Bavarian, so my mind had to translate my Goethe Institut learned dialect into this country tongue. We spoke for a while and sat together on the U Bahn. Altjough he got off at St Quirin Platz - next stop - he was the person I had spoken most to in my year of commuting on the U Bahn. Lovely chap.
Don't tar all Germans with the same brush, country people are nice here like at home.
Being a bumpkin from the sticks of north Wales, I saw this crap behaviour also in London.
A few days ago I was in Mangfallplatz U Bahn going down the Rolltreppe, walking cos I am such a fast city type (!) when I found this Bavarian gent with his dog blocking the stairs. Old guy about fity. Lovely dog. I remarked in German how friendly his dog was and he replied fully in Bavarian, so my mind had to translate my Goethe Institut learned dialect into this country tongue. We spoke for a while and sat together on the U Bahn. Altjough he got off at St Quirin Platz - next stop - he was the person I had spoken most to in my year of commuting on the U Bahn. Lovely chap.
Don't tar all Germans with the same brush, country people are nice here like at home.
I agree, you cannot tar everyone with the same brush, there are exceptions to the rule, etc. But I must say in general yes Germans are rude, inpolite, but there are some nice ones around.
As I am from London, I will now say, in general London people are quite nice, its just the few that are not. But then again, if you are in central London in the middle of the day, it can be quite horrible, just because there are so many people around they are all bumping into each other, but you will hear an appology in London more often than you will in Munich !
As I am from London, I will now say, in general London people are quite nice, its just the few that are not. But then again, if you are in central London in the middle of the day, it can be quite horrible, just because there are so many people around they are all bumping into each other, but you will hear an appology in London more often than you will in Munich !
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This men first though the door is actually extremely polite in Germany and comes from a time when chivalrous men would go through a door first to check for danger before allowing a woman to go through.
german blokes checking for danger?
from my experience they're probably the biggest set of 'weicheiers' as a nation i've come across.
i've noticed they're very good at pushing in and being generally rude but when confronted and push comes to shove they tend to slink off.
next.
London is a bustling city of 8 million, Munich is a large town of 1 million. The two are incomparable really.
In any of the above threads you could substitute 'London' for 'Dublin'. With just under 1.5 million inhabitants, the two are comparable.
So you are substituting Dubliners for Londoner now or vice versa whichever fits. Not sure either would be too chuffed about that.
Ah we've been substituting Londoners for Dubliners for years now. It was part of the global domination plan. Take Kilburn and work outwards from there.
Regarding the 'going through the door first then holding it open for the woman behind you' thing - I've noticed that a lot of places seem to have double sets of doors, which pretty much enforces such behaviour. If I open the door and let the woman through first, she'll be forced to open the next door herself. Equally, if I go through the first door and hold it open, but then try to hold the second one open for her, she (and everyone behind her) ends up having to squeeze past me, which is annoying for all concerned.
And regarding rude people, London is far worse than Munich. If you bump into someone in Munich, they sometimes apologise. If you bump into someone in London, they'll sometimes kick the living crap out of you - but I don't recall ever hearing anyone apologise.
And regarding rude people, London is far worse than Munich. If you bump into someone in Munich, they sometimes apologise. If you bump into someone in London, they'll sometimes kick the living crap out of you - but I don't recall ever hearing anyone apologise.
Personally I couldn't care less who opens the door or who goes through it first. I would appreciate it if they'd look behind them a little more often before allowing the door to slam in face of the person behind them. I've very nearly damaged my nose on a number of occasions. But I don't think this is a typically German habit... more likely a Munich one.
Bad Manners!
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If you bump into someone in London, they'll sometimes kick the living crap out of you - but I don't recall ever hearing anyone apologise.
that is absolute bollocks. I have just walked in off the street where on a 200 metre walk from pizza express to my office 2 people have apologised for *almost* bumping into me (no actual physical contact was had)
anyway I should be working. I seem to have MUC withdrawal symptoms...
@Jordigo stimmt !
London is difficult to compare with many other city's due to the population, but in general, London folks are polite, and it is quite normal to bump into people along the streets in London, and yes you usually get someone shouting sorry, as they are rushing off somewhere. Walking through Munich on a Saturday afternoon, hearing any form of sorry for smashing into you, almost knocking you to your feet, is quite rare, although not unheard off !
London is difficult to compare with many other city's due to the population, but in general, London folks are polite, and it is quite normal to bump into people along the streets in London, and yes you usually get someone shouting sorry, as they are rushing off somewhere. Walking through Munich on a Saturday afternoon, hearing any form of sorry for smashing into you, almost knocking you to your feet, is quite rare, although not unheard off !
Not trying to plug my own web site (well not much anyway) but I run a monthly newsletter that deals in part with the Germans and how the English see them.
Look under the newsletter section. The older ones are to the bottom.
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Look under the newsletter section. The older ones are to the bottom.
My Webpage
Germans are not rude, its just you are all too polite. How many times in England did you ever think "shit, this queue is long, wish I could just butt in at the front". Now there is no need to worry! Its so liberating knowing that you can charge down the highstreet knocking people over, push your way in front of people etc. And if anyone complains, you can feign a lack of comprehension!!
@Paul:
Managed to have your webpage tucked away to the right so no one in the office realised I was reading it, now it lunch hour so I can reply.
Roads and bread:
I drove 30,000km on German roads, specifically Mondays at 6.30am from Munich to Grafenwoehr military base 2.5 hours then same Friday evenings. I must say Deutsch roads are relatively orderly in my experience once you understand that your car not being a hot ship (mine is a Ford Fiesta and I just gotta stay outa the way) has to live in the middle lane and not veer right (slow) or left (suicide).
I can only tell you to drive in the rain in Saudi Arabia Riyadh to Dhahran then you will see a twelve year old boy driving his daddas car alone. Then you will know Fear.
Leave the bread alone man. It is one of the three Bs of Germany which are great - Bread, Beer and Babes. My wife asks me are they in order and I say no: Beer, babes then bread. (well only one babe, i.e., my wife)
For an education in bread go to Hopfisterei happy hour every day and eat proper stuff (25% for the first half hour then 40% for the second half hour - details on the spreadsheet in the shop)
Jeremy.
Managed to have your webpage tucked away to the right so no one in the office realised I was reading it, now it lunch hour so I can reply.
Roads and bread:
I drove 30,000km on German roads, specifically Mondays at 6.30am from Munich to Grafenwoehr military base 2.5 hours then same Friday evenings. I must say Deutsch roads are relatively orderly in my experience once you understand that your car not being a hot ship (mine is a Ford Fiesta and I just gotta stay outa the way) has to live in the middle lane and not veer right (slow) or left (suicide).
I can only tell you to drive in the rain in Saudi Arabia Riyadh to Dhahran then you will see a twelve year old boy driving his daddas car alone. Then you will know Fear.
Leave the bread alone man. It is one of the three Bs of Germany which are great - Bread, Beer and Babes. My wife asks me are they in order and I say no: Beer, babes then bread. (well only one babe, i.e., my wife)
For an education in bread go to Hopfisterei happy hour every day and eat proper stuff (25% for the first half hour then 40% for the second half hour - details on the spreadsheet in the shop)
Jeremy.
RULES
I can only speak from personal experience, but when dealing with Germans, its as if they have a Rule book in their back pockets at all times, for everything. Rules where I came from were more like guidelines, and were actively totally ignored or bent where they were proved to be rediculous.
This notion of "rules on the fly" is in my experience totally alien to Germans.
I can only speak from personal experience, but when dealing with Germans, its as if they have a Rule book in their back pockets at all times, for everything. Rules where I came from were more like guidelines, and were actively totally ignored or bent where they were proved to be rediculous.
This notion of "rules on the fly" is in my experience totally alien to Germans.
Like spelling rules, for example
NO
I am totally with Jeremy on the roads thing. There are much scarier places to drive!
Beer, also agree.
Babe(s), also agree.
But not with the bread. Not atall. France perfected bread years ago, and Germany has not yet caught up. The simple grinding of the seeds and grains seems to be totally ignored by German bakers.
Most of this black bread stuff is just a really heavy fruit cake with no fruit in it.
Beer, also agree.
Babe(s), also agree.
But not with the bread. Not atall. France perfected bread years ago, and Germany has not yet caught up. The simple grinding of the seeds and grains seems to be totally ignored by German bakers.
Most of this black bread stuff is just a really heavy fruit cake with no fruit in it.
Hang on a sec Don!
I was a pseudo-expat in the Dordogne (I used to spend two months a year there ten years ago up to my feet in mud renovating a stone farmhouse) and I only remember the baguettes on th backs of the ladies bikes and the bakeries (patisseries) full of flies. Liked the baguettes but they barely lasted till lunchtime.
Perhaps you have apoint about the sunflower bread. Those seeds stuck in my teth are supposed to be milled to flour?
I was a pseudo-expat in the Dordogne (I used to spend two months a year there ten years ago up to my feet in mud renovating a stone farmhouse) and I only remember the baguettes on th backs of the ladies bikes and the bakeries (patisseries) full of flies. Liked the baguettes but they barely lasted till lunchtime.
Perhaps you have apoint about the sunflower bread. Those seeds stuck in my teth are supposed to be milled to flour?
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