Karma

Freedom of speech Showem - this thread is at least as valid as, say, criticising the luggage capacity of the BMW 1-series or ruining somebody's chances of selling their car by pointing out how over priced it is. If you're gonna start criticisng threads on the grounds of being somewhat pointless, more or less all of M&RC has got to go...(along with nearly all my posts ever).

Fair point Jimbo. It just seems that if I was concerned enough about the thing to opt-out, I might put a one-time post of why I was doing it, rather than continually harping on about it.

Does that mean if I get - 5 or +5 it's most likely from showem ? hmmm

DDBug, anyone who has been on the board longer than 2 years can send 5s.

So, from regular posters, that could be anyone of a number of people. But yeah, I can zap you with my Emporer-like powers too.

yip, just look when her or one of the other oldies are online. Not that hard to work out who hates ya.

Or likes ya?

Ah - but I don't (personally) know anyone who has been on the board that long - except showem.

But my only zaps so far have been from a fellow 2 point owner ;-)

DDBug, there are actually several people who have been around that long. I can think of at least ten off the top of my head. You probably just never realized they've been around that long.

Nope - I know there are a bunch of them, I just don't know them. Personally or here. Or I haven't paid attention to who has been here that long cuz I don't think it's that important.

You can see how long people have been members from their profile.

Or from the members list here.

Most active long term posters are on the first page or 2...even infrequent posters. It all adds up!!

If you sort it by join date and ascending order you will find that 64 peeps joined in 2002. Hundreds more joined in 2003 and they all have that evil -5 karma power. Don't forget that the father of all evil Mr. Editor Bob himself is not only a part but also the leader of this axis of evil.

All evil doers will be brought to justice, said one famous president recently

Um, ok, but what exactly is the "nope" for? That doesn't contradict what I said at all.

That's -50 karma for you then

My world just came tumbling down! (Though I did check to see how long you have "been here")

Not quite two years - I joined September 2003. But I've opted out of the system so I neither receive nor give karma so you're safe (as if you actually give a shit).

Also I think the September 24th, 2002 thing on the older members is a carry over from the original system. We certainly didn't all sign up on the same day.

I've been looking at the Karma thing the last couple of days. It seems to be somewhat random in many cases. Or certainly no explicable reason I can see for the way the voting goes.

I actually had a look now to see if I could emulate Yeti and boost my karma a bit but some of the innocuous postings that seem to accrue big plus points for Yeti (along with bland postings from me that have been whacked with -ve karma)makes me think its either very random or favoritised to certain people. Never mind eh.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what Spudgun/Moonboot didn't like about Green beans vs. Wax beans to mark it negative. Guess they just don't like beans?

ah good. -3 for keydeck and I for the last couple of posts - expected bad karma for that. Doesn't seem much point bothering really

edit...and showem now

so anon1 is IW then - piling on the + points for parnell

Agree with some others - its clearly my mates who are giving me karma - and I inturn will give them karma when they make a half or full assed post - some of my better posts (not many) likewise get negative loving - was even called a troll recently.
The only way to sort this out is via karma messaging where you know where it comes from and why.

@ BR
You pissed at me maing ? Just hit ya with some positive k.

not pissed at you parnell - just the system seems a bit random. Very kind with the +

would most likely cause no end of disputes and bad feelings though I guess

@ BR
I think that bad feelings develop when people suspect others have grudges against them and cant address that. If someone dislikes me for some reason and has the guts to say it to me I've got a lot more respect than if the same person spreads shit about me behind me back where I have no chance to redress that. Im part of a huge board where this sort of thing occurs - MTV has already mentioned that the pair of us were about to go to war over a misunderstanding but gladly he helped me pull my head out of my ass and we're mates now. To my mind it's a case of wrong/misguided/misinterpreted information which can be solved by openness.

I have to say that this new "log file" is hilarious. I never dreamed what benign posts people would give me negative karma for:


And ooh, ooh, wait! The dreaded fraction of an inkling deeper than laughing at poo poo jokes post (by a big bad 'old schooler', no less):

after researching I know what you mean IPJ

a big veteran -5 for appreciating a post by Silva

yeah i pinged from an old schooler twice this morning (the person tried three times but the system wouldn't let them). I don't really see why answering someone's question about living in Johanneskirchen sincerely and objectively deserves 5 negs but what the hell, this old schooler must have their reasons, even if i can't fathom them.

July or so, wasn't it? Couldn't find anything older than October, though.

To clarify, I can't give +5 or -5 (due to joining date and non-supporter and non-mod status), can only give a +/-3 and give very little karma (either + or -) out. per se

The system is bolloxed huh katrina?

One member, one vote I say.

FREEDOM FOR TOOTING!

It's a bit stupid that someone who's been around for a few months has the same karma power as someone who's been around over a year.

Well IPJ you just gotta hire a karmaslinger, a karmassasin so to speak.

Serious question now IPJ - Are you therefore suggesting that an idiot whose been online since forever has more right than an intelligent member who has been on 5 minutes? This doesn't take into any account new members who may have been on other Chat Forums for over a decade, or the cerebally challenged TT oldies.

The whole Karma thing is open to abuse. Over the weekend I spent some time going through Bob's new Karma Log Files to see how + and - karma is given, and in roughly half the cases the member's post that was karma'd was totally innocuous... which suggests that roughly half of all karma given is between percieved Friends and Enemies. At that point I decided to opt out. I'm too old for this kind of kiddie nonsense.

Finally, as I said before, and I'll say it again. The TT community is slightly different to other Chat Forums, in so much as we all have a chance to meet face-to-face. I sincerely believe that Bob has made an error in the incorporation of this karma malarky, and TT has deteriorated as a result of its inception. Time will tell.

I seem to have come to that conclusion too. Started off quite promising but seems to have ended up as a mixture of how it shoul dbe but also as you describe it above

Oi !!!

HEY YOU!!!

Sick and tired of being a nobody? Sick and tired of people ignoring your posts? Sick and tired of being 92nd in the karma rating with a +6 / -1 vote?

I have the solution!!!

Yes, you can rent me to make YOU look popular! Every time you post, I will quote you, and reply with either an animated smiley or a witty comment. Yes, even YOU, you sad pathetic poster can seem like the man of the board!

As the funniest Toytowner, my replies will add humour even to your crappy efforts of forum hilarity. Due to the fact that I am the third greatest Toytowner of all time, when I quote your message in mine it is 5x more likely to be read!*

Karma worries? Never fear as part of the package you will get +3 karma for every post you make from me!** You will soon be climbing that karma board and hanging with such forum celebs such as Yeti, Keydeck or showem.

So now your thinking how much is all this going to cost me? What is the outlay to gain forum notority?

All I can say in this post, is that its cheaper than you think...

PM ME FOR RATES

*As proved in an independant study by the Inflatablewoman For Internet Sainthood Organisation
**While stocks last

Nah, of course not. If the karma thingy has to exist, I think everyone should have the same karma power. I was just saying that if it must be weighted toward long-time members, then it should be a linear scale (i.e. >6mo = +2, >12mo = +3, >18mo = +4, >24mo = +5, etc.).

I don't believe you people think Inflatablewoman is more Jedi than me. He doesn't even pass the Star Wars circle of knowledge birthdate test.

A Jedi craves not these things.

I still struggle with the Code.

Struggle not, there is no struggle. Know !

But then it could also be weighted towards number of posts a members has, or if they're a TT Supporter, or even shoe size.

Sure. As I said already, I think it should be even across the board.

Whassup? Small feet?

Shoe size ? At last my karma score has been explained.

To get some real mud-slinging going your karma resevoir should be based on the karma you get.

I have [img]http://www.keithball.net/img/toi_town/flashingPositiveKarma.gif[/img]'d so much that I cant [img]http://www.keithball.net/img/toi_town/flashingPositiveKarma.gif[/img] any more. That makes me .

Size US5/UK3.

Edit: I guess that explains my karma, too!

nah, I think your Karma is tied to the motorbike rides with Katrina. I know where all of Karmina's +ve karma is going

I've had enough of this infantile nonsense and opted out.

Power to The People Oli2000

why so obsessed with karma