Karma

Well, mine went down 6 points today, and I had a theory about that, but it's not reflected in the link posted above, so I have to assume it's just cuz I'm generally all round annoying.

About to opt out of that one, cuz I've had more negative feelings about it than positive, so far...even given my currently positive score. That and it's distracting.

i opted out of it a bit ago, after my karma plummeted one day
all i'd done is express an (admittedly minority) opinion, but i wasn't offensive in the slightest
it's a loads of old bollocks if you ask me
i feel liberated now that i've opted out, i can thoroughly recommend it

Agree with 'Zen Master Geno' 100% on that one - I don't think the karma ratings added anything to TTM, rather detracted from it - I opted out after it was made clear that some people thought I was in '+ve' karma due to the fact that I know some of the older TT'ers and that we were all mutually slapping each others backs just for the sake of it when in fact I hardly ever gave +ve karma to anybody - I'm a much more negativie individual... (and no - i have no idea who gave me positive or why).

Sniff, sniff. Got my first negative karma today. Why?
Oh well, maybe I shoudl get some work done instead :-)

I've thought about opting out but haven't even cared enough to do so. I find it rather amusing to watch my karma go down even for the most benign posts.

Thats a bit harsh.

Especially bearing in mind I opted out when I was Numero Uno <self righteous indignation mode on>

who was it who called us cowards?

Fcuk ... would like to give you karma for that... which view was it though (now that you're safe from karma demons ?)

Bob shot me off a mail - apparently you cant see RPY123454's post cos it's been moderated to being invisible. He also made the comment that he feels that people use karma for different things and that it should even out in the end - which I disagree with.

It's sad that the karma system is being abused - it can provide for much more lively debate - but the recipient of negative karma should be aware of why their comments were poorly received.

Go here and scroll all the way down.

Now 14 cowards

@parnell it was one about the moslem and the car bomb being racist
was in a minority of one of that one
oh well

Topsy, stop takin karma thing so seriously. More often than not it is just a game played by few teams. Some people just wanna bring others down the karma rating just for the heck of it not because they really mean to give them negative karma.

I opted out, 'cause in it's current form, it's just a popularity contest. I've no interest in that.

However, if it did something more useful, ala Slashdot...

I agree, a system that promotes accountability of the raters could be much more useful. I understand wanting to discourage trolling, but a troll isn't concerned about their Karma rating.

Also, I've noticed some of the most interesting posters have stopped posting since the implementation. I find it unfortunate that it discourages the voicing of less popular but valid opinions.

@Silva - my guess is that your "interesting posters" not posting from about the same time is a coincidence. I can't see many people not posting because of it.

Like mine? I regularly get +3/-5 whenever I write something that takes more than a couple minutes' thought, regardless of the position I take. I fucking answered a question on old measures and a couple petty shits here kept clicking minus minus minus. I know who one is, the little pissant backstabber.

To piss these twats off I'm dropping out of the "karma" bullshit, too. I'll rejoin when there's some accountablility and meaning to it.

woof.

Main problem is that it hasnt been defined what it "abuse" and what is "proper use". Its supposed to be per post, but the list is per user. There is still a per post list but it doesnt even seem to include the misc and random chat posts which is stupid, and theres no link to it, you have to have it bookmarked. Each post should have an icon or something indicating the karma FOR THAT POST or something.

Basically I give positive karma to people who seem to be well balanced and just having a laugh without getting all intense and stupid, and I give negative karma to people who seem to take themselves too seriously. If a post is interesting, crazy or funny, and I am glad I clicked on it, it gets positive. If its boring (and note, this includes helpful posts, thats why I dont know why only the non misc posts appear in the per-post list, should be the other way around if you ask me) and I regret clicking on it then it gets negative.

I know it can be made into a good system, along the lines of slashdot karma, but first ed bob needs to decide what its for, because right now it really is set up like a per user popularity contest, I cant criticise people for giving positive karma to their friends and people they agree with and giving negative karma to people they dont like or disagree with because thats how the system looks like its supposed to work.

At the moment I have no idea how its supposed to work. So I vote how I described above.

My first suggestion would be changing the per post karma list to include misc threads, and probably exclude non-misc threads, and make it the default karma list. The per user karma list is not neccessary.

Oh and you cant criticise a system for how its used, people will use a system for whatever reason they want. You can however criticise how a system is designed.

Anyway according to my experiments, helpful posts get (and probably deserve) negative karma, silly, trollish and offensive posts get (and probably deserve) positive karma. But only if they are funny. People whinging about low karma obviously need to try and adjust their sense of humor down a bit, like any popularity contest you have to appeal to the lowest most basic emotional triggers and keep things simple.

Nah IPJ, there are a few voices missing on this forum for exactly that reason.

I opted out a while ago because it was being badly used (that's not saying I understand any use for it at all) from the start, and is just plain stupid and juvenile. It certainly doesn't deter trolls.

such as? would interest me, as i dont post when i'm oevrly busied at work. normal day i'll throw in a couple, a slow day more. but i'd never stop posting my opinion about something i believe in strongly, if you ever meet me in real life i'm what i am. and my guess is everybody else is the same. it does seem that there are no more intersting debates flying around, its gone all a nicey nicey. is that what you mean?

EDIT just reread this an it sounds like i feel like im an "interesting poster". which im not, im full of shit most of the time.

Somehow I suspect this translates to "I think IPJ is too serious, so I click negative on her all day."

I personally very rarely give out any karma (mostly because I just don't think about it), and I only give positive when I think the person has been genuinely helpful or nice. If I gave out negative karma for every lame post, I'd spend the whole day clicking. I only give negative karma for those that are embarrassingly bad.

I have never given out karma one way or tother. I am a karma hoarder

is it a crime to be too serious here? has Toytown gone native? the one thing i love about Toytown is the serious banter. its what germans tend not to do alot.

question. does anybody else sing a certain boy george song in their head everytime they read this topic?

i agree that it's gone all overly nicey nicey since karma came in
we used to have some interesting debates, but now it's all 'which way does your willy hang" and "are your tits even"
ffs
peeps tell me i take karma too personally et etc, but i reckon i'm not the only one
at least by opting out i can still post what i want, and stay in blissful ignorance
i try not to be horrible to people anyway, karma or no karma (kza no doubt finds me very boring, soz )

I'm with you on this IPJ, I just give positive for good posts, couldn't be bothered my arse giving out negative, so many candidates.

FUCK YOU BITCH!

not until you mentioned it, but I have now!

Negative karma for you!

I'm trying to figure out where Gideon has met germans who don't do serious banter.

@ gidders i do now and again - it comes and goes, like

yeah, i'm with yeti the germans are quite good at being serious, i reckon

I was wondering that myself!

haven't had the time to read through the whole thread but actually never cared about the Karma thingy. Like Parnell said how can I see which post ppl liked or disliked?
And why is it that most ppl have negative Karma on the board? Shouldn't it be the other way round?


yeah, how does that work? I don't get it...

Sorry Gideon, my post wasn't directed at you

Why not display the names of those that gave out the Karma. I would have no problem owning up to my choices, it might even be interesting to see which people agree/disagree with your opinions.

I didn't notice that it had gone 'nicey nicey' at all...and look at my Karma rating!!!
I'm happy to have the balance of both serious and daft threads. keeps everyone happy I reckon.
think the Karma rating thing is a great laugh actually. but good that EdBob added the 'opt-out' choice for those that don't like it. (bit annoying when you wanna Karma someone though and you find out they've opted out...bah!)

SORRY I MEANT SERIOUS AS IN YORKSHIRE SERIOUS IE WELL GOOD...
banter for me is unrelated stuff. germans a just serious about themselves, in fact its the only country where ikea sell mirrors that only reach up to the navel. when i comes to banter their shite.

The karma opt out list is growing. Now it is at 16.

I am thinking about opting out myself and then start a Bush-bash thread

i know but when i reread it i sounded like i felt you did, thats why i put the edit on the bottom.

kama kama kama kamelion... (mouth organ solo)

i think a decent friday debate is in order roots, but not bush.

Agree with this. Would be interesting if amount of karma was tied to the karma givers giving habits...much negative karma reduces power, much positive increases.

Mind you...I'd have a vested interest in that, seeings as I think I'm at about 6:1 positive:negative ratio. So...

That's actually a good idea, papa geno. It would prevent people from giving negative karma just because they don't like someone.

agree with that too...seeing as I'm currently at 240th out of 254.
why me??? hee.

How is that negative karma worthy (and how can I get -1/2)?

I just love the way all of the karma thread posts on the list are negative.

its just a load of bollox really. but if it makes some keyboard loser out there feel more powerful then yea!

Actually ya know what i love about it ? I dont seem to have many posts which attract STAND OUT negative karma so either I'm a total asshole and all of my posts are shit or some folks are just hittin me with negative all de doo dah day. It makes me smile to think that I piss off such a lightweight all de time. OWain.
(Nah man only kiddin... )

Yep, that's it.

I've jumped 15 places in the board!
wotsthatallaboutlike??

@IPJ
LMAO... Im gonna post those kissy PMs of yours if you're not careful sweetheart... it's like that old ad for deodarant "Impulse" - "because first impressions count"

@Moonboot - Same thing happened to me when the topic came up that my karma was low.

exactly..the whole thing is mostly light-hearted and means sod-all.
good larf tho.

hmm...but you were in a whole different league to Moonboot...noone's managed to reach that yet even tho you opted out now.

I didn't opt out.

ooh thought you did...sorry hon.