No self-employment for Canadians in Germany

Jeez Parnell, thanks for the heads up... I was looking really clueless there for a minute, getting involved with your personal attack on ol' whats'ername.

I really apologize.

Really parnell, you should calm the fuck down and read my posts and if you can read, you will get the point. IT IS NOT FOR ME BUT FOR MY HUSBAND you fool

stay back kids, i think we have a cat fight ...

This might have been why people assume it's for you (bold mine)


The bit about your husband is on the second page of this thread...

Yup that was clear .

I read through the rest of the read to see where (post #27) you relate to your husband having difficulty in getting a work permit , companies not being willing to sponsor him in same. In establishing himself as a sole trader he could get around this. Further to that we got into a side tangent about why many people attempt to operate as sole traders (taxation reasons). This is the internet - I never get upset in cyberspace - but you contradict yourself with so much so who would believe you ?

EDIT Fuck ...always beaten by a woman ... DD Bug got there first.

way to go 'tasa!

i have to be really careful what I say here. This is getting out of control guys. I went there to inform myself what I need because my husband was working. It is actually same shit if I make self-employment or my husband because he can work for me (Familienunternehmen). We thought that it would be easier for me because I have an unlimited working permit and he doesn´t.

I thought your husband was an under-the-table painter? What does he need a work visa for ...

@ NAtasa
In that case I await an apology for your "fool" remarks.

well he wouldn´t under the table painter if he could get self-employed

And sorry parnell you´ll get your apology but only because I wasn´t THAT clear in my first post. But I forgot there are men who read this and forgot to make it clear so men can read it.

But you upset me, sorry

Uh huh.


@Parnell - I guess my whole problem with your attack here (and it is an attack), is why would you not believe her? Who cares? Why would she lie? About what would she lie about? How would lying benefit her?

You forget perhaps, man of The Emerald Isle, that canada is a multi-cultural society, and that for lots of us canadians, English is not a first language. My goodness, if someone on an internet chat board was not 100% clear with their thoughts... What IS the world coming to?

hey I've been annoyed by some of natasa's previous threads but give the girl a break on this one - the original question seemed straightforward enough

So you insult everyone else instead. Nice work.

Who paints underneath a table anyway?

What is this - 'Irish blokes gang up on canuck women day'?

Not at all, twas a gender thing rather than a nationality thing. Just remarking on the comment which was made.

Natasa, having gone through work visa problems recently and having followed your posts over the last couple of years, the problem you have isn't solving itself and is someting that you def. need to sort out with a lawyer ...

well, i have been insulted and attacked so many times here and i figured out that the best method is to attack back what else can I do. My question was streight forward and all of the sudden there are comments and remarks about the milking the government, etc.

I think it is not fair

Personally I prefer it when people insult me directly (or when they tell me to calm the fuck down), but sometimes a good allrounder really hits the mark.

well, I don´t have any problems at all. I have an unlimited working permit and can do anything I want except being self-employed. It is the familiy who have problems.

Sing along now ... "O' Canada ... la la la la la"

Im a guest of this country , like most on this forum , and Germany has been kind to me , Natasa has pretty much said the same (and cursed Canada in the same breath). She has made a good few threads enquiring about benefits - no problem at all with that - but some of her remarks in those threads including the one I quoted fuck me off. Why would I not believe someone who has defaulted on debts ? Gee I dunno ... ask my bank manager.

I do not agree with the idea of "take as much as you can and give back as little as you can" which she seems to champion ... please remember that I did not criticise her for lack of clarity but I was criticised and got a qualified apology for reading her posts correctly... as it was you had a nice go at me but it seems more than a little clear , at least to me that your "attack" was misplaced.

Tim , and I do not mean anything by this , you wouldnt be by any chance married to Natasa ? Fair fecks if ya are m8.

I was implying your husband - his problem, your problem, so to speak

Ah Villy you leetle sheet disterber

for today, I agree with natasa

Worked up, disturbed, hot and bothered, offended, displeased... but never upset.

parnell, tell me why am I champ in "take as much as you can and give back as little as you can".

I don´t have social assistance in Germany, I don´t have a "Sozialwohnung". I work for my pay and pay taxes, my husband does the same thing, The only thing we get is the child tax of 154€ for our kid. We pay for the day care, I pay all the taxes I have to pay in store. And tell me know why am I a champ in that.

Look at the Turks who live on social assistance, have cheap accommodation and work under the table - they are champs and I absolutely don´t agree with their way of living.

The German government pays it's unemployed to work (ich AG). I live here legally and want to relieve them of some of the burden and they tell me to get stuffed.

I'm confused.

I guess I am in the right place.

Ich liebe Deustchland!

When's Oktoberfest?

@ natasa

You posted it yourself -
No self-employment for Canadians in Germany

I have no idea what those terms mean ... I certainly only pay for bullshit which i dont use and until my accountant says otherwise (and Im in a position to renogiate my contract) will continue to. You have made it clear on earlier posts how great Germany is and how shit Canada is from a benefits perspective.

One of my friends here is Turkish and a damn fine worker/tax payer he is too so please...

P.S. If your position on "take as much etc." has changed then I take back what I said.

EDIT @ Tim
I agree and fail to understand that ... maybe you should speak to some company owners on this site as to how it can be done - Im sure there is a way.

Hm, I never took anything here either, except for the Kindergeld, never took Erziehungsgeld, haven't been unemployeed, did not take time off work when I had my kids, am voluntarily in the Kasse instead of private insurance. If I need it, it's nice to know it's there, but I am glad I don't need it.
There are people who really need help, and I don't mind paying for that. I do mind paying for people who champion abusing the system.

Edit_ kind of scary to jump into this conversation...

Sorry, on a pedantic note, what does it mean when you refer to someone as a champ? Where I come from it means that you are a great person.

As far as taking goes, I think my mom got C$10 a month for me until I was 12. Does that count?

Okay then, I'm a taker!

my position has not been changed and I still think that everyone should get what they can get. I don´t want to have discussion anymore

In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.'

Wholeheartedly agree with you there Johnny.

Does that mean if I let rip a particularly tuneful and well directed fart that there will be a subsequent pleasant event?

Johnny, right on CHAMP!

I believe it was Alfred E. Neuman who said:


Or maybe not, but it sure wasn't Siddhartha.

Regretfully not Keydeck. That explanation of Karma above was I feel a little disjointed. A simpler version might be "you get what you give" so in this case I would expect a bird the size of an eagle to dump on your head later today.

My thoughts on reading the threads are that Natasa seems to have a lot of anger and bitterness directed towards government, society, the system etc. I have no problem with people cutting a few corners and pulling a few strokes (hell everybody does), but I think it is better to work with the system and chill out or life will be constant hell.

Life is what you make it people.

It would be very interesting to hear how your negotiations over freiberuflich status shake out.

If anyone else has made a transition from fest to frei since the beginning of the year, any reflections on the overall level of acceptance toward non EU foreigners working freelance in Germany would be helpful.

I worked freelance up until 2003, when I left Germany. I might have an offer to do a 3-9 month gig, but it would require residence permit and freiberuflich status. If there is a six week delay in getting the permit, the arrangement might be impractical.

Any opinions about the overall environment, mindset, outlook coming from the Auslanderbehörde would be helpful.

Thanks

This is an old thread, but I thought I should add something: I received a work visa to work in Berlin at the end of July, and on it, after stating that I am permitted to work where I work, it states: "Selbstaendige Taetigkeit gestattet". And I'm a Canadian! So I really don't believe that Canadians are not allowed to be self-employed.

However, I've only started to look into what I need to do to work self-employed. In Canada, of course, we don't need to do hardly anything to start working on our own. But here..I have no idea..and I suspect there will be very, very little written in English about this.

I also wonder if I can't just start a Canadian business? I mostly wonder whom I can ask all these questions!

Jesse

Its the same response (by the same people I don't know) every time some one new to Germany posts and ask about kindergeld and the like. People seem to assume that the only reason you moved here is to mild the government, in spite of the fact that 90% that moved here are employed and only applying for the same benefits that they got at home.

I came to Germany in 2003 with a U.S. defense contractor as a Festangestellter. Unfortunately, I was laid off a year and a half later (the U.S. military is downsizing quite a bit in Germany) and made the decision that I wanted to stay. Being that my skills were very specific (U.S. Intelligence Analyst/Arabic linguist), I couldn't forsee myself getting another job in that area, so I researched my options and found out that English trainer was about the only thing open to me. This, of course, required me changing my status to freiberufler. It seemed like it would be a daunting task, but it was quite easy actually. Actually, I went to the KVR in February 2005 equipped with all of the necessary documentation (insurance paperwork, work contracts, etc..) and they didn't even ask to see a thing! I think it really depends on who you get as a Sachbearbeiter - which is bullshit, in my opinion, but I guess it can sometimes work in your favor. It probably also helped that I brought my boyfriend along (he's a Beamter), but I realize that most people don't have that option (bringing a Beatmer along, not a boyfriend).

In my opinon, I think it REALLY helps if you can speak German. Part of the new laws put into place in 2005 stipulate that Ausländer MUST make a concerted effort to integrate themselves in to Germany society if they intend to live and work here - and, of course, a huge part of that is learning the language. Of course, if you're an ITer, this probably does not apply - but hey, it couldn't hurt, right? I am only allowed to work as an English trainer, though - something that I realize a lot of people wouldn't be too keen on. I believe that after five years, I would get an unbefristete Arbeitsgenehmigung - but don't quote me on that. I'm jumping that hurdle, however, by getting married this coming February. Of course, this isn't the only reason why I'm tieing the knot, but it certainly is a wonderful benefit.

So, to sum up, my tips are:
1) Research your options - what professions are open to you as a freiberufler and what concessions, if any, are you willing to make to say here
2) Know your rights - don't be surprised if your person at the KVR is a complete dick and don't always take their word on it. Beamter are notorious for talking out of their ass and not knowing the facts. I speak with authority - I'm engaged to one. Oops, I hope to god he doesn't read this post
3) Appeal any unfavorable decisions - a NO isn't always a dead end
4) Learn the language - at least enough to where you can argue your case, and if need be, cuss out your Sachbearbeiter. If this isn't feasible, take a native speaker along with you.
5) Marriage - I'm sure there are a lot of lonely German boys and girls out there that are just waiting for the right TTer to come along

Hope that helps. If you have any other questions, you can PM me.

I would like to know if someone got this statement "Selbständige Tätigkeit gestattet" in his/her Visa since 01.01.2005 and how? I was yesterday at KVR and they gave me the same answer (1 Mio. or 10 employees). I have to find a way

Thanks

Hunn, Hellooo,, is there one who got visa after 01.01.2005 ??

Yes, it can be done. It takes a really good lawyer and a really good business plan. Don't give up. Good luck!

I was once toled by a sachbearbeiterin, in her best, thick bavarian


Need i mention she was the one responsible for extending my visa?

She did it anyhow. if my german was then what it is now i'd have had her ass on a platter in slices with parcely within about ten minutes. ja, mei...

Beyond that, i have also met very pleasent ones as well. fluent german helps miles. I think they are really happy to deal with someone 'normal' for a change of pace in their day in the zoo of the Anlaufstelle für Ausländerangelegenheiten.

Interesting is also to know that that the offices are so burocratic, that they generally don't really know what they are doing themselves, and it can be quite simple to set them up against each other, for example using an absurdly overblown income estimate from the finanzamt as proof of income for renewing ones residency permit... maybe the arbeitsamt can muscle you in as an ich-AG?

Also, bring everything with you when you go to see them. everything. bring your F$%="§ jabs record, documentation of your shoe size, everything that has a seal on it. at the very least you'll never be sent home empty handed because the want your blood type.

It is possible to get an exception from the sachgebietsleiter. If you want to work as an free agent for a company it can be very useful that they write a letter asking for allowance. how long you stay with them is anoher issue...

IF they are willing to formulate an exception, the battle is not yet won: it will be very specific. you have a chance to influence the wording. do so with vigor and intent.

And finally, in other districts, freising or dachau, for example, that have their own landratsamt instead of the munich KVR you can have much better luck in meeting someone who is willing to listen to your case. you'll have to move, though :-)

best luck to all

ag