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Starbucks Coffee - new openings in Munich

Current store count: 6 (as of April 2006)

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Marshbot
QUOTE (elfenstar @ Aug 10 2005, 2:34 pm)
that's not my point. when you're in a foreign country as a tourist, it can be overwhelming. you gravitate to what you know cause it's comforting and easy. that's why in madrid, i settled on a starbucks's cause i knew i would find non-smoking and a comfy seat to rest my feet (albeit the one on leostr. has no comfy seats). it's the same reason i went to the gap. i knew there i could find my size 8-short pants and they would fit!
it's easy for us "munichites" to chide tourists who crave their frappachino. they don't know better. we do.
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I guess it varies with different people because I 100% disagree with this.
When I am overwhelmed in a foreign country I can actually feel myself become dissapointed/depressed when I see something I recognise. I don't need those comforts and don't search for them. Actually it's the absolute last thing I want to notice.

I will always find a random place to drink or eat, and if the seats aren't as comfy or something is not as good as home then I put it up to experience and just enjoy the difference. At the same time, if I stumble across somewhere better than the mass produced stuff from home, then I enjoy it all the more.
Guess it depends what reasons you are travelling for. I just can't get my head around the idea of arriving in a new country and heading straight for the first well known franchise for a burger/coffee/whatever. I know lots of people do it though. Whatever gets you going, I guess.
brokenm
Well said Marshbot. I agree completely. I was depressed when I first arrived in Munich and escaped out of the underground into Stachus. This beautiful square with a fountain and this gorgeous old buildings ( or newer ones built to look old) and right there as an eyesore to me was a McDonalds. That was the last thing I wanted to see when I arrived in Munich. It is times when I feel completely bewildered that I am able to experiment and try something new or more immerse myself in a new culture. I left home because I wanted to try new things, I don't need the comforts of home, if I did I would return home.
UrbanAngel
QUOTE (Marshbot @ Aug 11 2005, 10:49 am)
I guess it varies with different people
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Nah, all human beings have exactly the same feelings! dry.gif
greenlakechris
Somewhere in one of these Starbuck's fora, someone was bitching about not being able to buy beer, among other things.

Now look what Nestle has gone and done: original link

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Coffee-beer

A drink somewhere between coffee and beer could soon be on the menu. Nestec, part of the Nestlé empire in Switzerland, has filed patents in every major market round the world on a "fermented coffee beverage" that pours and foams like beer, but smells of strong coffee and packs a concentrated caffeine kick.

The beverage is made in a similar way to beer, but fine-tuned temperature control stops the formation of ethyl alcohol. So the new drink could go down well with people who want a long tall pick-me-up while driving.

Nestlé admits it was tricky to preserve the characteristic coffee smell in the production process. Coffee beans are roasted normally, and the chemicals containing the natural aroma collected in a cryogenic condenser, before being converted into coffee oil. The remains of the roast are then ground to powder, mixed with yeast and sucrose, and fermented for 4 hours at just below 22°C. At this temperature the yeast can still metabolise but does not generate alcohol.

The aroma oil is then mixed in with the liquid and nitrogen is injected to make it foam. Adding a touch of extra sugar also helps trap the aroma until the drink is poured, Nestlé claim.

Read coffee-beer patent, here.

Sounds like Guinesss gone bad to me...and they blew it by stopping the alcohol process!
JMA15
I'm not too bothered about Starbucks. It's Subway that strikes fear into my heart. The last time I went back to my (little) home town of York I'd been away six months and FOUR Subways had opened, taking spaces previously occupied by a hairdressers, a sweetshop, a clothes shop and a locally owned sandwich shop. it makes me very sad. The sandwich shops are already going out of business and even Marks and Spencer' s shelves are still full of sandwiches at the end of the day now. why can't the councils stop them? don't answer that, I know. money.
cheni
I dont think I want to hear the word SUBWAY. everytime I walk past one, I literally have to hold my breath..I can not stand the smell of their bread.
Sometimes I wish the sign would say `We DO NOT bake our own bread`
Kza
I hope subway takes all german sandwich shops out of business. A single piece of cheese or a thin slice of dodgy processed meat doesnt make a sandwich and anyone trying to pass it off as one deserves to be crushed under the weight of market forces. I thought it was a pisstake the first time I got a "filled roll" here. Back home theres good cheap alternatives to subway, but I still go to both. Subway tastes great and is healthy my only gripe is the price.

Oh and I think most of them are locally owned and operated. Its more of a franchise than a chain.
pootle
Starbucks #4 is in PEP.

As I walked towards TheatinerStr, I noticed what I guess is gonna be Starbucks #5 at Residenzstr 4 (oppostie the postoffice).



Starbucks Watch München is brought to you by a Tall Vanilla Late with a choclate chunk cookie
UrbanAngel
Let's take a bet as to how many they'll stop at in Munich. 10?
papa_geno
I give up *sob*

pootle
SFCC has I guess 10 or 11 in town...
greenlakechris
This might help drown your sorrows...

papa_geno
Not unless I can get it for less than 5 USD, it won't.
greenlakechris
< $5? laugh.gif

Off to the biergarten then.
Editor Bob
New Starbucks opening soon at Feilitzschstrasse 6 - next to the new Riva Bar, just off Münchner Freiheit. I believe this is Munich Starbucks #6, unless we've missed any.

Invasion status:
  1. Leopoldstrasse 56 - Schwabing
  2. Sendlingerstrasse 27 - Altstadt
  3. Rosental - Altstadt
  4. PEP - Perlach
  5. Residenzstrasse 4 - Altstadt
  6. Felitzschstrasse - Schwabing
See also the Starbucks Germany - store locator for Munich - although that page doesn't seem to be fully up-to-date.
AnthonyDoesEurope
(sorry if I'm too lazy to read 6 pages of this to make sure it wasn't previously discussed to death...)

Although I'm not a big fan of Starbucks, I'm very happy about their non-smoking policy. I know that there is a literal translation of this phrase into German, but not one that most Germans seem to understand! blink.gif
When I sit in there, I forget I'm living in Germany wink.gif
ehyde
Hey, thanks for the starbucks location list biggrin.gif I can see why some would see them as kind of an alien parasite, but I would just like to say that it took me about a month of living here, not speaking German, not knowing anyone, and being really sick... and then one day on my way to work, a Starbucks appeared. I am from the westcoast (Portland) so I love nice little small coffee shops, but I will say when I had my mocha with whipped cream and was sitting there listening to music (able to understand the words)... I was so happy I almost cried rolleyes.gif
jamie
Starbucks are now making films by the way. Be afraid, be very afraid.
peterwallace
Coffeee is nice, just a bit on the expensive side.
ehyde
QUOTE (jamie @ Apr 18 2006, 11:20 am) *
Starbucks are now making films by the way. Be afraid, be very afraid.

wow! Movies that smell like coffee??? biggrin.gif
iain
some photo shop genius has to get a photo circulating of a Starbucks coffee between a McDonalds burger bun, an golden arch on top with the caption, "McBucks". One of these days I will learn. ah well.
ehyde
Learn photoshop, or learn to stop going there? biggrin.gif
pike
New Starbucks "coming soon" to München Hbf - adjacent to platform 11 (Bayerstr. entrance), just on the way to work cool.gif . More guilty pleasures... sad.gif
UrbanAngel
Let's try and predict:
a.) where the next one will be, and
b.) how many they'll stop at in Munich!

I say Ostbahnhof, and 10.
pike
Starbucks to triple store numbers (BBC Article)

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The US coffee giant, which currently has 12,000 global outlets, sees half of the eventual 40,000 stores being in the US and the other half overseas.

I say 18 - next one in Pasing.
UrbanAngel
Hmm maybe I should've gone with a mall, afaik they don't have one in Riem or OEZ yet...
Panama
There's also not one around the universities. Although there are a lot of coffee shops arount both TU and LMU, so competition is high. But maybe the would like to go and play with the other kids in the hood.
TroyBoy
I hate this company, I have never been in one, will never go to one, and will never drink a coffee that someone has got for me from one. How many little coffee shops that have been around for years, have closed down because of Starbucks...
UrbanAngel
QUOTE (TroyBoy @ Oct 25 2006, 8:33 am) *
How many little coffee shops that have been around for years, have closed down because of Starbucks...

In Munich, I haven't noticed a single one closing down because of SB.
pike
I read online that Starbucks shareholders recently voted to purchase at least 50% of their coffee beans from organic/fair trade by 2010. They pay more for their beans, and pass on the difference to the punters - I think that's a good thing. Not sure the same could be said about smaller outfits.
TroyBoy
In Munich, I haven't noticed a single one closing down because of SB[quote]

UA and how many years have you lived in Munich. And do you know every coffee shop.

I haven't been to one in anywhere I have been around the world. Commonsense tells me that they take business from other coffee shops & cafes. Just speak tos ome of the locals or cafe owners.
UrbanAngel
I've lived here for 4.5 years and haven't noticed any coffee shop near the other Starbucks closing when Starbucks opened near them, or after Starbucks opened. It would be a trend which makes sense, but it's not always so in every single case.
pootle
QUOTE (UrbanAngel @ Oct 25 2006, 8:13 am) *
Let's try and predict:
a.) where the next one will be, and
b.) how many they'll stop at in Munich!

I say Ostbahnhof, and 10.

Talk about Starbucks breeding, what about SFCC?? They openeda bout 3 months ago Ostbahnhof
don_riina
Little coffee shops closing because of Starbucks? False logic. Little coffee shops (whatever that actually means) never had a market selling moccachoccaskinnylattechinos so are a completely different biz. Anyway, Starbucks don't sell beer, and thats discrimination in my book. Should be illegal.
pike
QUOTE (UrbanAngel @ Oct 25 2006, 9:00 am) *
I've lived here for 4.5 years and haven't noticed any coffee shop near the other Starbucks closing when Starbucks opened near them, or after Starbucks opened. It would be a trend which makes sense, but it's not always so in every single case.

I think the huge rise in coffee consumption, the growth of 'coffee house' culture in the last decade, and Starbucks' exhorbitant prices mean that smaller coffee shops have not so much to fear. No statistics to back me up so just a hunch from my experiences in London where whole High Streets have been taken over by these places - clearly a booming market.
planetmoni
QUOTE (pike @ Oct 25 2006, 9:11 am) *
No statistics to back me up so just a hunch from my experiences in London where whole High Streets have been taken over by these places - clearly a booming market.

has coffee ever been good in London? ordering a cup of coffee with your breakfast at a cafe is very brave as the coffee tastes horrible. during my time in london i never found a coffee house with decent coffee. so i had to go to nero, starbucks... starbucks being the most expensive and not the best imh.
(coffee was one of the 2 things i missed the most while living in uk)
Small Town Boy
In the (hopefully) unlikely event that they make it to Freising, I will chain myself to their doors to stop them opening.

But I think it's more of a big city thing.

Or Munich, in this case. wink.gif
Elfenstar
admittedly, while in thailand on vacation i tremendously missed my weekend/mid-afternoon coffee i enjoy here at home (at work i drink water), so beau & I visited starbucks in bangkok and on koh samui. the process was the same, the menus the same and the staff spoke english. i missed my muffins & they tasted the same too (although their brownies were 1000x better than munich ones).

the idea of having a quiet, relaxing & comfortable place to sit was very popular with the tourists & yes, us too. i felt a bit embarassed the first time i went in, but after finding a comfy armchair, i felt happy. after the hustle & bustle of bangkok i did not car.

a tall cafe latte cost us each 70 Baht, so sure, twice as much as my green curry dish, but it was great to have. and no, in the places we were, there was nothing comparable. in munich, i'd rather go to coffee fellows or SFCC.
HelterSkelter
QUOTE (pike @ Oct 25 2006, 8:40 am) *
I read online that Starbucks shareholders recently voted to purchase at least 50% of their coffee beans from organic/fair trade by 2010. They pay more for their beans, and pass on the difference to the punters - I think that's a good thing. Not sure the same could be said about smaller outfits.

Of course shareholders will vote for this... laugh.gif

Pay the coffee farmer a cent more the kilo, label your coffee fair trade and you can sell of every cup for 10c more to all the good people in the world... let's say a normal cup uses 5 gramms of coffee, you can get 200 cups out of one kilo = makes a €19.99 profit on one kilo. Fair trade is so cool!

Jaysis, as if Starbuck would loose just one penny in favour to anyone - keep dreaming! wink.gif
cinzia
Starbucks' raspberry cheesecake is heaven on a plate.
pike
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Oct 25 2006, 1:14 pm) *
Pay the coffee farmer a cent more the kilo, label your coffee fair trade and you can sell of every cup for 10c more

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's still a win-win situation - granted, a rather one-sided and arguably unfair one (although presumably FairTrade might argue otherwise)?
HelterSkelter
It's a rip-off, simple as that and the only one who is profiting by it is starbucks, since the coffee farmer needs to share the 1 cent with all the other people involved until the bean reaches Seattle...

Fair-trade is nothing but the idea of making the customer pay more, because of his social-awareness, whilst the profit margin of the big companies can be raised by a little sticker on their menu: Fair-Trade.

Fair-Trade is a joke and as sad as it may sound the only ones profiting are the companies (money) and maybe even the customers (feels less guilty).
MunichMag
Starbucks are no-smoking, and of that reason alone they're welcome to open as many branches as they like as far as I'm concerned.
cinzia
AND they've got high chairs and changing tables. Three counts pro, not counting the cheesecake.
pike
OK HS - I just called my coffee-farmer friend near Hanoi and must, on this occasion, bow to your superior knowledge on this.
Panama
Back in Costa Rica, where some of the Starbucks Coffee comes from, the small farmer never gets close to sell his product to a large international consortium such as Starbucks. They buy their coffee from large coffee benefits which are very well reknowned in the country and owned by powerful families. The benefits are the ones who buy beans from the farmers, but they certainly don't buy it for a load of money.
daggyfresh
just because someone forced me to the go in there for a meeting I ended up with bagel - which was so disgusting I could not eat it and I had my bag stolen sad.gif(
(sendlinger str branch)
just don't understand why people would queue up for a coffee for ages..
HelterSkelter
@MM

If that's your criteria for a "caffee" (come on, starbucks is McDonalds for people who are capable of reading and can't be considered a real "Kaffehaus") - fine!

Did anyone hear about the new EU plans (this time we're even faster than Uncle Sam)? They now are going for a limitation and regulation on alcohol consumption... I always knew they wouldn't stop with the smokies, they will prohobit anything until we live in a bloody bubble of healthy cosiness and total dullness... just a bit like Starbucks...
cinzia
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Oct 25 2006, 1:41 pm) *
If that's your criteria for a "caffee" (come on, starbucks is McDonalds for people who are capable of reading and can't be considered a real "Kaffehaus") - fine!

Starbucks is a fine place. No smoking allowed, they recognize that there is such a thing as a kid in this city whose mom might need to relax with a hot beverage while downtown, and they have comfy chairs.

How that disqualifies them to be a real coffee house, I will never understand.

On the other hand, we have, for example, old traditional Rischardt's near Marienplatz where the staff is rude and you can't get your check for the world, even though you're sitting at your tiny cramped table, choking on the next table's smoke. I'd rather stand in line for my coffee, pay for it, and leave when I want instead of waiting for the cranky waitress to get around to taking my money, thank you very much.
MunichMag
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Oct 25 2006, 1:41 pm) *
@MM

If that's your criteria for a "caffee" (come on, starbucks is McDonalds for people who are capable of reading and can't be considered a real "Kaffehaus") - fine!

No, it's not my only criteria for a cafe. I also happen to like their coffee and cakes, although I know there are other places in town that do them better, and probably cheaper. It's just that given the choice, I prefer mine without the second hand smoke, so for me the more non smoking cafes there are the better. Before Mövenpick closed I used to go there quite a lot on a Saturday afternoon if I was in town, as they had really good coffee and cakes, and a big no smoking section. These days Starbucks is the only place I know which is non smoking - most german cafes are (in my experience) very smokey. If other places where non smoking I'd probably go to them as well.
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