When will TT get over Iraq?

Have you guys not got bored of it yet?

FIRST VOTE!! YES!! I WIN!

Where's the "When the Occupation leaves" button?

I don't think it's just a TT thing.

And I vote with Sin.

Where's the "When the USA invades [COUNTRY OF YOUR CHOICE]"

Countries could include:

Syria
Iran
North Korea
Canada

You could ask the same thing of CNN.

"When will CNN ever get over Iraq".

They report Iraq stories 24/7. It's very dull.

The Tsunami was great because it gave them something else to talk about 24/7. But after no more than 2 weeks, it was back to Iraq.

It's as if nothing else is happening in the world.

I say TT will get over Iraq just as soon as CNN does.

My prediction is 2008 when Bush will leave the White House. Until then it's going to be pretty regular.

I don't believe any of you guys will stop talkin about iraq when/if troops are withdrawn or when the US invades the next country. If anything it will give you more reason to talk about it

I like the "when the US invades the next country". That's about right tho, not an if, more a when.
I doubt it will stop talk of Iraq as people will use it in conjunction with whatever new conflict is going on to illustrate what the authoritarian Bush regime was like, and use it as an example of what not to do in the future (ie vote in another Bush)

Pieman.
Oh, can you please stop talking about Iraq? I don't know why you keep bringing up. It's not even news-worthy. Everyone should just agree and then not think about it anyway. You are banned from mentioning it again.

Anyway, what's David Hasselhof doing these days? Anyone know how to make a Lemon Meringue?

I think injustice and war crimes are always worth talking about pieman. After all, the world tracked down Nazi's for 60 years for prosecution (and a good thing too). Regimes fall by the wayside... then the knives come out. I don't think it will be any different after this debaclé ends and this regime falls.

On an point of note though. I was bemused by Jack Straw's comments yesterday regarding Uzbekistan: "It's for the people to decide on a change of regime, not outsiders."

Two words Mr. Straw: SADDAM and HUSSAIN!

What a complete and utter wanker.

Here's the full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...1484718,00.html

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Yeah, and the Pentagon spokesman saying of the same issue "the use of violence does not promote long term stability" ummmmmmmmmmm??

Oooooooooh yeah! Hoffknob-hypnosis. More Hoff, more Hoff!!

That Hoff gif could seriously stuff some people up for life.

sweeping such events under the carpet and forgetting them is exactly why we keep voting in such morons as Tony bLIAR and his chum. And it is exactly why politician keep making the same shitty decisions. If enough people are loud enough about the events which shouldn't be repeated then maybe politicians will learn. We only have ourselves to blame sometimes. SHAME ON ALL bLIAR VOTERS!

Pssst OG. Bad news mate - the CONservatives voted for the fuckin' war too. Hang the lot of 'em.

Sin, i know. And i, had i been an MP at the time, would also have voted for the war. bLIAR misled the house and lied to the country. Had all MPs known the facts at the time, I am sure the vote would have gone against bLIAR

Prob is OG, if we're going in for wholesale regime changes, then we should determine the rules under which we decide to do this. We can't decide purely on how much oil a despot is sitting on. Old Saddam was bad... so why the fuck did we and most of the other western countries support and prop the bastard up for so long (INCLUDING successive Conservative and Labour governments), even supplying him with the means and ways to wage such evil on the population of his country? Why are we supplying and propping up Islam Karimov now? Hypocricy is just too fuckin' short a word for it. Makes me fuckin' mad!!! What's worse is, and especially because I've got kids, is what the so-called Occupation forces have done to the children of Iraq. MAN, THESE ARE INNOCENTS. There was a time when "US Marines" meant something. Now I just hear the words "War criminals" ringing through my head. And before any of the soddin' Christains start bleating... If you supported all this madness, I hope to fuck there is a God... and a Judgement Day waiting for you. I'm sick to the back teeth of Iraq as well, but it's a nightmare that ain't going away. Kylie's got breast cancer... Oh great! What about all the fuckin' uncounted dead innocents in Iraq, Uzbekistan.

Excuse me while I go and kick the fuck out of something in the laser room out of sheer frustration.

He gave parliament they same info he had.

Is that what he told you IW

Actually, IW, he did not. He informed Parliament that he had a dossier from SIS (MI6) with extensive evidence for the existence WMD and the 45 minute threat. The dossier was in fact vague and inconclusive. He misled parliament on that point alone, which i think was a major factor for the successfull vote.

I think there should be an option in this poll for "Once all the current Toytowners have aged and the new majority were born after the Iraq war."

As was shown in the Butler report, he was given incorrect information by the security service. He did not make it up.

If you are really interested then go read...
http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/

Iraq seems to bother me most when Bayern Munich are celebrating a win, for some reason...
...the rest of the time I do this:
'Insert your choice of higher power here'
grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference

I have no idea what this war is you speak of...hmm

However, I do remember bombing the fuck out of countries for no reason...

So therefore, I recommend beer, at least the numbers get fuzzy.

I say we forget about the middle/near east, and go take over a tropical island country. The US needs somewhere new to vacation anyway. Just claim the 'dictator' (who happened to have been elected) was abusing coconuts (by processing them for export), and that the people would be much happier w/ a ton of tourists flooding their best fishing beaches and scaring off the fish. I'm telling you, I think we have a chance on this one.

CHAAAARGE!!!

Interesting topic - if we think about Kosovo , Armenia and quite a few other genocides (something that Iraq v1 or v2 was not) the answer becomes clear - as long as there is political capital to be made in exploiting the issue. This forum is dominated by this and the whole German Nazi thing (and that's goin on 60 yrs now).

Yeah, when was the last time someone started a thread on kosovo or bosnia?

When will people get over habeus corpus?

When will people get over the oil for food scandal?

Jee-meneez, people, we need to understand that this stuff isn't important...or failing that, understand that internet forum exchanges are generally lacking in a certain intelligence/civility that tends to characterize face-to-face communication.

Oh well, carry on. I'm sure people on both sides of this debate are making a legitimate difference with their internet ruminations on the subject.

Normally don't get involved in any of these conversations, cos I don't know enough facts, but hopping on to a couple of US based internet sites today (cos I can't be bothered working), there are pop ups, commercials, banners etc., to join the army, respect soldiers etc. It's kinda scary, like old school war propaganda. Is it like that back in the states?

Anyway, back to your discussion...

If people stop bringing up the frickin subject then it will not be discussed online as much..

The former Uzbekistan ambassador is Gordon Murray. Dig in the Guardian archives and you'll find an interview with this chap. Hounded out of his office because he stood up for what he believed in.

That Straw is a twat of the lowest order. Another is Condolezza Rice in this context (as awell as others)

Sorry, but crap statement

Thanks jeremy. I am well aware of Gordon Murray. I'm just surprised that they haven't tried to stick an "Oil for Food" or "Niger Yellowcake" label on him for discreditation too. Maybe they'll find Saddam's WMD under his bed, Huh?

NOT Condolezza 'Unocal' Rice??? And there was me thinking she was squeaky clean.

Sorry, in an ironic mood today

If yo really wanna discuss Iraq there is another excellent thread Wanna discuss Bush and Iraq war?

Good place to discuss your "position" on that topic.

Have any of you people posting spoken with any US Marines, Army or Navy that have actually spent time in Iraq?

I am not discrediting the other coalition force's members, but the US forms 85%.

If the US would have gone into Afghanistan prior to 9/11, would people challenge the intellegence for going in? We would have found no WMD's, no mass graves, and no evidence of UN scandals (mis-appropriation of oil-for food funds).

Would the world have been a better place if we waited to say 'we should have gone into Iraq' as we are now saying 'we should have recognized the signs in Afghanistan and gone in earlier'.

Wasn't Churchill discredited for doubting the peaceful intentions of Hitler in the late 30's?

Good post Otic.

Yes, I have a direct technical contact in the Boston area who is a Reservist. He has suggested on more than one occasion of ways and means to relocate out of the USA. Suffice to say, he doesn't want to be sent back. He has also changed dramatically since he went. I met with his CEO last month on a business matter and he was discussed. He is withdrawn, and it has been suggested... psychologically changed (which, I suppose is to be expected returning from a war zone). This is a top technical man, not a kid. He is due to visit next month.

Another reservist for a totally separate supplier came back in a box, but I didn't know him apart from a couple of emails (on business matters). It's a subject that is not discussed, and I'm not going to raise it.

The US didn't require any intel to go into Afghanistan. Follow the "Carpet of gold or carpet of bombs" line of enquiry. Re: recognising the signs of the Taliban. Many, many people were jumping up and down, pointing and screaming for a few years before Tim Osman became the patsy.

I understood that Churchill was the voice pressing to move the BEF up to the Rhine, and Chamberlain was the appeaser. I am prepared to be corrected.

BEF?

British Expeditionary Force

They were 300,000 (ish) stationed in Belgium and Northern France in 1939-40. They were beaten back to Dunkirk by the Nazi blitzkreig in May/June 1940. My grandpa rescued about 2,200 of them from a beach.

I think they would challenge it. What would be the reasons for going in prior to 9/11, what would it do? Most attackers in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi.

On a slight tangent. It's convenient that there are troops now in Afganistan to protect the new pipeline from the Caspian sea that will traverse the country, courtesy of or friends at Haliburton. This pipeline wasn't given approval under the Taliban gvt, the US military fixed that little problem tho.

what's to 'get over'? it's a valid topic for discussion I reckon as much as any other.

...and of those 19 attackers, 11 are alive and well. My guess is that if CNNNBCABCCBS claimed George Bush could fly like Superman, and had a picture of the monkey wearing his underpants on the outside, 48% of the US population would be looking up into the sky.

The PIPELINE??? I refer the right honorable gentleman to the statement I gave some moments ago..."Carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs".

It's all starting to make perfect sense now, huh?

Oh Wait! I just got a fax saying that I recieved 100 million oil tokens from Saddam. Must learn to keep quiet and be a good little cannon fodder.

I want a link to a source that doesn't include infomation about UFOs, alien abductions, Nessie, chupacabra, etc. because all these do.

Pieman.
Maybe it was a crap statement but still true nonetheless. A better question would have been how many more of these Iraq war threads will we have to endure? Even a simple, slightly amusing poll turns into yet another discussion..

Sin, spot on son!

Dunkirk was a miracle. Congrats to your grandpa.

The NE of the US (ie Boston) loathes Bush. It is a very liberal geography, as I am sure you know.

Most reservists join in times of peace for alterior reasons. I joined the Marines during Desert Shield in 91. Your friend might have joined after 9/11. In any case, I admire him.

I believe going into Iraq was something that had to be done. I believe it was the right thing to do, and I support Bush and Rice.

Well that shows that people don't want to give the topic up and have massive issues with with the whole fucked up affair. Let the peeps discuss, if not interested, don't enter the thread...kinda simple really.

Timmeh

Since you think Sin is "spot on" feel free to provide me with some conspiracy theory-free links about 11 of the 19 hijackers being alive and well.

DW Did you see the latest p & t bullshit? I agree with them on the moon landing and the jfk thing, but not the 9/11 analysis. Its pretty easy to pick on the most extreme consipracy theorists. They totally ignored the evidence about other countries intelligence agencies passing on info to the CIA which was then ignored etc...