Canadian child benefits for a kid born in Canada

Hi all,

i have one general question:

My son was born in Canada in 2001 and in 2003 we moved to Germany. Now I heard that he can get the child tax until he is 18 in Canada. Is that true and what should I do in order to get the child tax?

Any suggestions?

Thanx

Wouldn't you have to live there to claim it?

I am not sure...

That would be my question actually

maybe simpler to get German child benefits?? - not sure how that works for immigrants though

Think you have to be paying tax in the country to claim it. As for claiming it in Germany, I do not know, maybe you have to be here a certain amount of time before you can claim it.

My son has Kindergeld here but we heard that we can get both. That would be nice but I think it is not true

Why would the Canadian (or any other government) give you money when you aren't paying taxes there?

you HAVE TO BE a resident of canada to receive benefits - which you're of course not.

good luck trying to milk some more money out of the government -
even though from your past posts, you think canada is this horrible country that gave you noth'n and took, took, took!

nice, but not really fair

willy, i honestly don´t know what kind of problem do you have with me???

What the f$@&

And why wouldn´t I milk some more money out of any government. Every government takes more than it gives, so in my opinion should we take out of government everything that we can.

And don´t get me wrong, nothing against Canada ( I am Canadian ) but comparing Canada and Germany, I choose Germany. Sorry, if I am not patriotic enough

Because the money comes from other tax payers.
Same point you use is what I often hear as justification for shit behaviour against spouses (even ex- spouses ?).

I wouldn't even let my husband claim unemployment benefits! We do get the kindergeld since it's automatic, but we never took erziehungsgeld. I kind of have an issue with people milking my tax dollars. I chose to live here as well, partially because of the social net - but I hope it's going to those who need it. Touch wood - I haven't needed it yet...

Well, in my opinion, if the government takes 30 - 40% of my income, why wouldn´t I take anything back from the government. It has nothing to do with milking the tax dollars. You gave birth to a child and can´t work because of that. Germany (a social country) have something like erziehungsgeld (and it is only 300 bucks a month - if your husband doesn´t earn a lot). Considering that this child is a future tax payer, I don´t see anything wrong in it. People who need it more - get these benefits whether you take it or not nobody will thank you for not taking it - trust me.
But I guess everything I write here is being misinterpreted - why does everybody want to fight with me ???

I just wanted some simple information

If you don't work what income are you talking about ? Will this child be a future tax payer in Germany or elsewhere ? Not very certain considering how far you'Ve come yourself... lovely idea for a banking system though.

I don't think folks are neccessarily fighting with you , they just form an opinion of your character and motivations from your posts and some take issue with that.

I never stopped working when I had my kids. My husband took time off for the second one, but that was awhile ago. Course - it depends a bit on the line of work and how stubborn you can be with your employer

But he/she will probably not be a Canadian tax payer. Nobody is complaining about you getting kindergeld here in Germany

And do you really think you get nothing back from the 30-40% of your income that goes in tax? Do you not understand that tax money goes towards roads, transport infrastructure and educational facilities for your child etc etc - so you can't calculate just using money that you directly receive in your pocket. You don't seriously believe you get none of your tax money back do you?

Well, my kid was born in Canada and I had to start working when he was 6 months old, just because of shitty canadian social system. It was not enough for me to live on it (not to mention the little one) but anyways I came here to Germany (he was 1,5 years old) and since I didn´t get a place in a day care I got for 6 months Erziehungsgeld and could work for 30 hours a week. Don´t forget, I worked for 30 hrs. a week (paid tax on it) and got enough money to pay the rent. My husband worked and we could live, but then I ask my self why wouldn´t I take the benefits when giving birth to a child who will pay taxes (EGAL - where he lives).

people might think you just want the canadian money for your holidays though

Good you chose Germany over Canada - clap, clap! I truly hope things work out for your family. Blame Canada!


I doubt this was because of Canada's "shitty" social system .. could it possibly be because of your poor education or personal choices - or those of your husbands?

No one wants to "fight with you" Natasa, however, given your past posts and overall ill tone ... someone has to stand up to your constant backlash/personal greed towards MY country - whom I personally think bends over backward for its citizens.

Stop biting the hand that once fed you ...

well, I am not sure about your educational background willy and you can´t be speaking of mine or some bad choices someone had in the past. But you can´t also tell me that Canada bend over for its people because it doesn´t and don´t start telling me now that Canada is the best country in the world and bla bla bla because it isn´t and this is just a story of brain-washed Canadians and Americans (luckly I am not one of them) as well who only know that Canada is the best country in the world and nothing else, but don´t even know that England is in Europe.
It was Michelle (who had a degree in accounting) who asked me if she can drive by car to England. I tried to explain her that England was a country in Europe and she can certainly try and drive over there.

So please, stop being so arrogant and tell me why are you here when Canada is such a great country.

my boyfriend is german

having said that - i've lived and worked in 5 different countries in the last 5 years - and will be moving to my next following the World Cup.

a. you're doing your Abi at the moment;
b. you're running from Canadian credit agencies and;
c. you really have no clue about international politics, now do you ...
No further comment.

a) doing abi at the moment so I can study here in Germany because I can´t do anything with my college degree from canada

I am not and never was running from anybody

But whatever

I am not going to waste my time fighting with you. I don´t even know you and don´t want to make any judgments, but I guess you are not intelligent enough not to make any judgments out of Toytown forum which I visit to interact with people who speak the same language. Please take look at your posts, all you do is attack people and make some stupid judgments.

Poor you

God, check with the consulate, but in my Canadian opinion, you should not be allowed to collect, when you do not contribute to the tax base at the moment. Our country has been supporting far too many leaches for far too long! That is not an insult, its the truth.

I am from Canada, love it and can't wait to go back and build our dream house...
We still pay taxes in Canada so our children still get the benefits. My husband ownshis own hockey company though, with offices in Canada, Switzerland and Germany so maybe that is why we still get it. The kids and I go back often enough so we still keep our ohip benefits, much cheaper than the health care system over here!!!
If you hate Canada so much why don't you hand your passport in and become German?

Can I have the Canadian passport if you do give it up?

This one too...seems like a large part of why she is here.

I don´t think this is a nice tone to talkt to someone guys. I am not sure how many of you have kids, but having kid myself I know that each cent that I get extra is helpful (although I have no money problems myself, we earn enough). But I also think there is nothing wrong with taking money of government, they take our money - and I think this is just one way of getting our money back. Why are we always happy to get some money back when we do our income tax? We don´t simply say, oh you know I don´t want this money, someone else should have it. Nope, we are happy to get some money back (if we do). So I think natasa is right, you go girl and take everything they offer you. I would do the same thing and I think everybody in this forum would do the same thing in your situation.

Yes, but the point is Oh!C, Natasa isn't paying Canadian income tax. They aren't taking her money.

Well, that is true, but take a look at her posts, she heard this information from someone and she just asked if that was true. I don´t see anything wrong in it.

I am also still paying taxes in Canada because I have a house and a business running there. But there is nothing wrong in asking someone, we all came to this forum to exchange information, so why not ask

Normally I would bypass this thread without even blinking...but for some reason today it has really bothered me.

First off, Natasa you said this back in October:
Well take a look here:
Child and Family Benefits - GST Credit
Clearly you have to be a resident of Canada for income tax purposes. If you are then great...I hope you cashed the cheque. However, there have been many posts by you about tax brackets and working here in Germany.

So I suspect that you are not. And not withstanding the whole debt collector issue which has since been deleted from TT (or if it exists I cannot find it). Fact is you (or your husband) spent money in Canada and then left without paying it. Why should someone else be stuck with the bill?

As for the child tax credit...read here:
Child and Family Benefits

Again same situation as with GST.

I am not trying to be mean...I don't know you but from your posts on this forum...and in having read your many derogatory statements about Canada and trying to get everyone in your family out of there...the government sucks...the country did nothing for you...I cannot understand why you think you should receive these benefits.

I grew up in a single-parent home where these benefits were crucial to our existence.

and so when you make posts like this:

and then ask for more money from a country you are not even living in...well...it really makes me wonder.

All I did was asking if someone can give me that information - NOTHING ELSE, really. Apparently, I got that info and end of discussion...I don´t get it really... And the GST check was from 2002 (the year when I lived in Canada) and I didn´t even cash that check - didn´t get a thank you letter from canadian government as well for not doing it.

And I really am not going to bother you anymore with any questions. Thanks Oh!Cand. for having some understanding for me. and be careful here, every information you want to get, you have to be careful how you ask it and why and be prepared to be attacked before you get the right answer.

I got mine, next time I won´t come here and will be asking my questions in consulate.

Thanks for being so cruel

sorry if it all came over a bit hard natasa - and I'm certainly not joining in with the Canada is great/crap/sucks whatever - that is personal opinion.

but saying


isn't really true is it? If that was it then fine and you received answers at the top of the thread - personally I was replying to your statements (nobody elses) that you thought it was fair to take money from the govt of the country you aren't living in. i.e. I was replying to a separate point you made. Stating 'NOTHING ELSE' seems a bit silly when you obviously have made other statements...or very forgetful.

just trying to justify my comments I guess - which I thought were fairly reasonable questions (which you never answered by the way).

Another bottom feeder in the works?

You're new to TT Oh! Canada eh? Like Blimeygirl mentioned, from Natasa's previous posts, she has only negative comments about Canada and claims her family is better off in Germany. Ok, so be it - she's entitled to her opinion about Canada, however, the situation changes when she then thinks that she can better herself further through Canada's people - the tax payers, esp. the ones that can't take 3 holidays/per year throughout Europe and don't have overflowing fridges/closets.

Ok, if Natasa was paying tax, then of course, yes it is her right to claim support. But here we have a woman, who thinks Canada owes her something.

Naja, one should never compare apples to oranges!

I think everybody has right to have an opinion about Canada or any other country. I am new here and her question about child tax didn´t come over like a bad thing, but you know her apparently better than I do, so you can judge a bit better. I agree, if she was paying the tax then she should get it

As I stated, if you qualified for the GST cheque then great...hope you did cash it. I certainly agree with people getting what they are entitled to. In all honesty the benefits paid out are not that much (at least they weren't when I was growing up)...and in Canadian dollars too. If it makes a financial difference and you are entitled then go for it. The links I provided should explain any questions you have...there are also numbers you can call.

You may see some posts as cruelty...there are some issues I take personally to heart coming from the background I do...and this was one of them. Can't speak for the others. You can't post on an open forum and then expect people not to read into and respond to what you write, whether you like what they say or not. You may only want 'information' as you put it but sometimes on here you just get much more than that.

I honestly do wish the best for you and your son/family and I hope Munich offers you what you are looking for.

Natasa, I'm curious why did you come to Germany and is it a permanent move or temporary?


Yes in relative terms that is true as health care in Canada is "free" only because its part of your income tax, but when you compare take home in Canada to take home in Germany and what your get for your health care dollar you find that Canadians get very poor value for there tax dollar. Unless you have private health care, dental, prescription drugs short and long term disability isn't covered. This is in spite of tax rates that are north of Germany.

Case in point.

My brother in law has 4 young children and has a job with benefits, so any dental care (including braces crowns and bridges) has to be paid out of pocket along with any drugs they might need. The only way they can afford drugs is the freebies that the doctor gives out. My sister in law was also complaining about how she need new orthopaedic insoles and she didn't have to money to pay for them. I asked her doesn't OHIP pay for them and she said no.

Lets not even discuss how difficult it is to get a family doctor (impossible) If you don't have a family doctor when you return you will be spending many hours in hospital waiting rooms.

When it comes to health care and taxes Germany has Canada beat hands down. If Canadians really new what poor value the health care system offered they introduce private health care right away, but as long as we live next door to America that will never happen,which is too bad.

rob

I should mention that Canada forbids private health care in any area that is Goverment funded, Hospitals Doctors etc, but any area that has been "delisted" gov speak for not paying for it, is open to the private secotr.

@tim hortons man,
it was actually me that made that comment. I love the fact I can get a doctor in Germany and that I get great care but I actually had a very hard time getting health insurance here just because I take medication for panic attacks. because I am on this medication we pay an extra 200 euro a month. That is why I made that comment.

Did you not get your health care through your employer? When we arrived the company signed us up with AOK being public they take everyone, we wern't asked any health questions and the rate 14.5% of your gross is a standard rate paid by everyone.

Becuase Chris is the main (only) wage earner I'm covered under her plan. When she switched employers a while back she was 1 month "unemployed" so that month we had to pay it ourselves. 400dm I think.

I'm sure that money is going to go directly to the child...

Governments take 30-40% of your income (if you earn any), but in case you've forgotten, you receive a multitude of services for that tax. Coincidentally the government also takes over 40% of my income to pay for your children. I find that terribly insulting. There is actually a word in German for people like you - but I won't say it. I think it's fitting though.

Edit: sorry, didn't realize how old this thread was.

Yeah, it is old. No need to beat a decomposing horse.