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Irish tourist punched by a Kultfabrik doorstaff
Update: Two years later and still severely injured
true but are you sure its just here best is when they start saying "der croater mit deutschem pass" mmmm. unbiased representation eh. but thats shit press for you.
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My only comment on this incident is to note how surprisingly easy it is to kill someone if you punch them in the face and they fall and hit their head on the concrete
The old heed is well fragile. I bust mine up simply falling a few feet from a BMX.
QUOTE (Bert @ May 10 2005, 5:26 pm)
No it is not. Its his job to stop or better still prevent violence. If he is worth his salt he will never have to use violence.
Bzzzt!!! You lose the luggage.
I wrote ...violent when necessary and when you're alone, not backed up and two guys are a threat (and possibly three), you have a microsecond to make a decision.
The bouncer was able to hit the Irish guy. The Irish guy was in his range which means the bouncer was also in the Irish guy's range. You don't know that the Irish guy hadn't already started to swing or indeed hadn't already hit him.
There was no one else there to back up the bouncer. It's incredible how quickly eevning up the playfield deflates most problems of this nature but the bouncer/doorman was alone with three guys who had been drinking for ten hours and who were up for it. They'd already left the bar.
Do you really believe the bouncer went running after them or called to them and told them to come back and fight him? Does that make any sense to you? They were drunk, they left, one went up to the bouncer and one of his two mates was on his way over to assist against a lone bouncer.
From the police report:
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Einer der drei Iren geriet unvermittelt mit dem 23-jährigen afghanischen Türsteher in Streit. Der 29-jährige kam seinem Freund zu Hilfe.
One of the three Irish abruptly got into a conflict with the 23-year-old Afghani Doorman. The 29-year-old [Irishman] came to help his friend.
One of the three Irish abruptly got into a conflict with the 23-year-old Afghani Doorman. The 29-year-old [Irishman] came to help his friend.
It doesn't say who threw the first punch. Maybe it was the doorman. We don't know. But he had no back-up and he had few options. I'd like to know what the hell the Irish guys started to begin with.
woof.
doesnt matter though. it wil not look good for the bouncer. blew his top and fucked up. a punch is not restraining, and he should have been able to calm it down. sounds like there was a language problem too, which doesnt bode well in such situations. nowt against bouncers, but a solid police check before hand would have stopped this.
Agree with Topsy and Gideon on the media and nationality thing. It does grate sometimes.
QUOTE (parnell @ May 9 2005, 4:59 pm)
As an ex-bouncer myself you can't always avoid it - you expect the punters to respect both the club and you - if they can't do that then they shouldn't be there and it's your job to eject them . This often leads to aggro - apparently he was hanging onto property of the club. If you were there you know more than me , but from my experience I'd be doubtful.
For some reason when I first quoted parnell with the comment "you can't really argue with parnell, can you?" it was removed by TT doorman.
I'm trying again, in the hope that my comment is understood, i.e. lets shut up and let those with some experience make the insights.
Is there any way we can find out who this bloke is? We were at Kultfabrik on Saturday night/Sunday morning and were chatting to some Irish guys over for the weekend in the Temple Bar. I'm SURE they said there was about 10 of them and they were out for a stag weekend.
Disturbing news and I hope to God he pulls through and makes a full recovery.
Disturbing news and I hope to God he pulls through and makes a full recovery.
@kza
We usually don't agree on anything, but I have to say that your post is a perfect synthesis of the way a lot of these trips work out, even if it is a slight simplification.
Obviously there are a lot of details that we don't know about this particular incident, but the different "characters" in the group, what is expected of them and how group legends are born are spot on, IMHO.
We usually don't agree on anything, but I have to say that your post is a perfect synthesis of the way a lot of these trips work out, even if it is a slight simplification.
Obviously there are a lot of details that we don't know about this particular incident, but the different "characters" in the group, what is expected of them and how group legends are born are spot on, IMHO.
a source in Ireland tells me this was reported on the Front page of Irelands Evening Herald yesterday it described the 29 yo victim from Portlaoise as a "gentle giant".
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it described the 29 yo victim from Portlaoise as a "gentle giant".
we all know what that means then...
I was chatting to a bloke called John, who was 29 in Temple Bar on Sunday morning...is there any way of finding out if this is the same bloke or not?
If not, I'm sure it's one of his group as a few of them left early.
If not, I'm sure it's one of his group as a few of them left early.
What's the word? I just heard the poor guy didn't make it through. Anybody know the SP?
really? oh damn, I hope you heard wrong
My source might be incorrect - I'm still investigating.
No mention of it in the Irish papers. Hopefully he is still fighting - no pun intended
After investigating I still have no difinitive word either.
This happened last time I was home in Johannesburg.
The victim died and the doorman (who was a huge, inexperienced youngster) was convicted of murder.
The victim died and the doorman (who was a huge, inexperienced youngster) was convicted of murder.
OK. Now I have more info. Police mate of mine says that he can't get any info from the internal computer system. Whilst this is not a good sign, it might just be because the victim is a foreign national. I have a phone number to call at the Kriminalpolizeiliche Beratungsstelle Polizeipräsidium München, but there is no point calling unless you have a legitimate reason... because they won't give out any information otherwise. The best we know is that he was taken to an undisclosed hospital. He may, or may not be called 'John'.
If, and ONLY if you have a legit reason, PM me and I will give you the number.
This is the best I can do.
If, and ONLY if you have a legit reason, PM me and I will give you the number.
This is the best I can do.
just writing to see if anyone has found anything out?
The lad is unfortunately still in a coma.
There is a report from the local paper (the laois nationalist) below.
Story originated from
Original Laois Nationalist Web Page
There is a report from the local paper (the laois nationalist) below.
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Community rallies to aid man in coma in Munich
By: Denis J Croke
FOR the Connell family from Beladd in Portlaoise the past 12 days have been very stressful.
On Friday, May 6 their brother, Ciaran sustained serious head injuries when he was assaulted outside a nightclub in Munich. The 29-year-old has been in a coma since.
Yesterday (Tuesday), his sister Laura told the Laois Nationalist that the family had received a “bit of positive news� on Monday. “Doctors have told us that the swelling on his brain has gone down,� said Laura. “He is moving both his legs and arms and mouth now.�
“He is still sedated but we are hoping not for too much longer, but maybe that is being optimistic. The doctors still are not sure how his functions will be when he wakes up, but we’re praying.�
Laura also explained that Ciaran could be quite distressed at times but that is being viewed as a hopeful sign. “We think he can hear people and that he knows where he is,� she said. “But with every bit of positive news we are hopeful.�
Laura added, “We want to thank everyone who is helping out in anyway, those who are praying, everyone has been brilliant.�
In an effort to assist the trust fund set up for Ciaran a number of events have been planned. This Friday night a number of local entertainers and bands are putting on a show in the GAA Centre. Admission is just 10 and tickets will be available on the door or by contacting 086-3768308
The following Friday, May 28, a race night has been organised, Anyone wishing to sponsor a race or buy a horse should contact Brendan at 086-1506631 or Lee at 086-0730877.
By: Denis J Croke
FOR the Connell family from Beladd in Portlaoise the past 12 days have been very stressful.
On Friday, May 6 their brother, Ciaran sustained serious head injuries when he was assaulted outside a nightclub in Munich. The 29-year-old has been in a coma since.
Yesterday (Tuesday), his sister Laura told the Laois Nationalist that the family had received a “bit of positive news� on Monday. “Doctors have told us that the swelling on his brain has gone down,� said Laura. “He is moving both his legs and arms and mouth now.�
“He is still sedated but we are hoping not for too much longer, but maybe that is being optimistic. The doctors still are not sure how his functions will be when he wakes up, but we’re praying.�
Laura also explained that Ciaran could be quite distressed at times but that is being viewed as a hopeful sign. “We think he can hear people and that he knows where he is,� she said. “But with every bit of positive news we are hopeful.�
Laura added, “We want to thank everyone who is helping out in anyway, those who are praying, everyone has been brilliant.�
In an effort to assist the trust fund set up for Ciaran a number of events have been planned. This Friday night a number of local entertainers and bands are putting on a show in the GAA Centre. Admission is just 10 and tickets will be available on the door or by contacting 086-3768308
The following Friday, May 28, a race night has been organised, Anyone wishing to sponsor a race or buy a horse should contact Brendan at 086-1506631 or Lee at 086-0730877.
Story originated from
Original Laois Nationalist Web Page
Thanks for the update Exquitius.
An update on this story from July...
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THE LAOIS man who was viciously assaulted in Munich is now on the slow road to recovery. Ciaran Connell, Beladd, sustained serious head injuries when he was assaulted outside a nightclub in Munich on May 6 last.
Ciaran was in a coma for almost two months after the incident. Friends of the Connell family in Portlaoise began an active fundraising campaign immediately after the incident raising almost €30,000.
Ciaran was in a coma for almost two months after the incident. Friends of the Connell family in Portlaoise began an active fundraising campaign immediately after the incident raising almost €30,000.
Source
Good to hear he is making some recovery. I wonder what happened with the bouncer and whether he was charged with anything?
for all u hu didnt no him, ciaran was the nicest guy u could probably ever meet. And unfortunatly tanks to an idiot he will never be the same.. everyone he was once close to have become strangers and he has to learn how to do everything again! 2yrs have past and he is still not recoverd
Sorry to hear about him, hopefully you can sue those responsible to at least make his life comfortable, A salutory lesson to all ( including me ) that violence is no answer.
they can not sue becuse he was not a german citizen.. which is totally shite!
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