Grand National 2005 - Horse Racing

Anyone fancy a bet & get together this Saturday for the Grand National?

I am sure that GM's or the Arc will show the race, it will be on BBC1.

The final list of runners will be available tomorrow.

Note that the Grand National kick off has been delayed until 4.10pm UK time 'cos BBC is showing another horse getting spliced a little earlier in the day.

YES!

Colonel Rayburn and Longshanks for me - 16/1 but come a long way down.

Where would be the best place to view it, anyone?

Somewhere close to a bookies.

The Arc is definitely showing it and we may be running a sweepstake if there's enough interest

Plus I think there is a bookies right round the corner as well.

Apparently Camilla just got odds at 16/1

The Runners

1 LE COUDRAY (FR) 11 11 12 C. Roche
2 ROYAL AUCLAIR (FR) 8 11 10 P. F. Nicholls
3 MONTY'S PASS (IRE) 12 11 6 James Joseph Mangan
4 FONDMORT (FR) 9 11 6 N. J. Henderson
5 TAKE THE STAND (IRE) 9 11 5 P. Bowen
6 BALLYCASSIDY (IRE) 9 11 5 P. Bowen
7 BALLYBOUGH RASHER (IRE) 10 11 4 Howard Johnson
8 RISK ACCESSOR (IRE) 10 11 4 C. Roche
9 BINDAREE (IRE) 11 11 3 N. A. Twiston-Davies
10 AMBERLEIGH HOUSE (IRE) 13 11 3 D. McCain
11 HEDGEHUNTER (IRE) 9 11 1 W. P. Mullins
12 FOLY PLEASANT (FR) 11 11 0 Nick Shutts
13 ASTONVILLE (FR) 11 10 13 M. Scudamore
15 AD HOC (IRE) 11 10 12 P. F. Nicholls
14 HEROS COLLONGES (FR) 10 10 11 P. F. Nicholls
16 GLENELLY GALE (IRE) 11 10 11 A. L. T. Moore
17 IT TAKES TIME (IRE) 11 10 11 M. C. Pipe
18 CLAN ROYAL (FR) 10 10 11 Jonjo O'Neill
19 NIL DESPERANDUM (IRE) 10 11 Ms F. M. Crowley
20 JOLY BEY (FR) 8 10 10 N. J. Gifford
21 JAKARI (FR) 8 10 10 H. D. Daly
22 FRENCHMAN'S CREEK 11 10 9 H. Morrison
23 IZNOGOUD (FR) 9 10 9 M. C. Pipe
24 POLAR RED 8 10 8 M. C. Pipe
25 DOUBLE HONOUR (FR) 7 10 8 P. J. Hobbs
26 FOREST GUNNER 11 10 7 R. Ford
27 COLNEL RAYBURN (IRE) 9 10 7 Paul Nolan
28 JUST IN DEBT (IRE) 9 10 7 M. Todhunter
29 SPOT THEDIFFERENCE (IRE) 12 10 7 Enda Bolger
30 INNOX (FR) 9 10 6 F. Doumen
31 STRONG RESOLVE (IRE) 9 10 6 Lucinda V. Russell
32 SHAMAWAN (IRE) 10 10 6 Jonjo O'Neill
33 LORD ATTERBURY (IRE) 9 10 6 Mrs O. C. Jackson
34 EUROPA 9 10 6 Ferdy Murphy
35 MERCHANTS FRIEND (IRE) 10 10 6 C. J. Mann
36 SIMPLY GIFTED 10 10 6 Jonjo O'Neill
37 ARCTIC COPPER (IRE) 11 10 6 N. Meade
38 TURNIUM (FR) 10 10 6 M. Scudamore
39 MARCUS DU BERLAIS (FR) 8 10 5 A. L. T. Moore
40 L'AVENTURE (FR) 6 10 5 P. F. Nicholls

RESERVES

41 NATIVE EMPEROR 9 10 5 Jonjo O'Neill
42 A PIECE OF CAKE (IRE) 12 10 5 J. S. Goldie
43 LONGSHANKS 8 10 4 K. C. Bailey
44 SUPREME GLORY (IRE) 12 10 4 P. G. Murphy

Cool, so is it The Arc or GM's now?

Although I refuse to bet on "it takes time" or "just in debt", sounds really crap!

Gonna go for the Arc, there is a bookies round the corner.

is The Arc showing the wedding too? Could be a giggle if it's raining, wtchng the horses all afternoon...

Jason will be running a sweepstake, pick a horse out of a hat and pay 5€, first four places win proceeds

anyone who wants to watch the wedding can also do so, we will also be running a sweepstake on whether or not they actually make it to the altar...

This sounds like a plan. I haven't had a bet on this race for about 3 years but it used to be like a religion for me ever since my dad put his faith in my top tip of West Tip for the GN way back in 1986 (I think) gambling a whopping 9p each way on my behalf. It returned ₤1.98 (at 16-1 no less!!) of which I saw about 40p. I was chuffed at the time but in hindsight I got done up like a kipper. Time to pick my new West Tip and get my 18p ready...

clan royal ...for various reasons.

Have had betting wins twice on this race, Seagram (something like 32-1) and West Tip (£10 on to win whoo hoo), so made me smile to see that name again.
Forest Gunner seems to be most likely to get my cash this year (always back a horse for this race at about those odds, well I do at least).

Isn't Forest Gunner the one with the woman jockey?

here's a random link to show the current odds...

after longshanks pulled out like a donkey, i've putting my hard earned on Colonel Rayburn, Strong Resolve and Forest Gunner. Without sounding sexist, a female jockey on Forest Gunner may be a disadvantage, but the horse looks solid.

Topsy, aye it is. Probably the shortest priced woman rider ever.
Carrie Ford is the rider and although the horse has never been around the National, she won the Fox Hunters' Chase and the won on the National course in the Grand Sefton Chase last November (according to the Guardian, BBC playing up for me at the moment).
Hence, it isn't just an emotional backing, it might actually win and certainly worth an eachway (am trying to sound like I have some idea about this but this is the only race I ever bet on ha ha).

I like the name of strong resolve, or perhaps l'aventure (although that's bound to be one who dodges the fences).

Can we still do those bets "each way", when they can come first or second? And the one where you can bet on a few different horses in one bet? Haven't bet in 10 years, since my dad (family bookie) died...

Innox and Clan Royal in the sweepstake for me - I'm hoping that since the race is on the day of the Royal Wedding this might be some kind of portent - I remember Party Politics winning it in the election year a few years back...

Remember - French horses don't win the national. That helps rule out half the field and then forget about those over 11st. Just 17 to choose from now for me! What time are people planning to get to The Arc by?

dunno, when makes sense? it starts at 5.10, right? So I guess from about 4?

4 sounds about right and gives us time to find this bookies and work out the german betting system. See you there

if we're using the German system I presume there will be 3 hours' of bureaucracy to clear before making a bet.. better meet for breakfast...

Good point! They'll be closed though between 10am and 2pm on one of these mysteriously long lunchbreaks the German banks enjoy so much! Must be all the paperwork...

apparantly, according to my John the bookie, the place to put your hard earned down on a horse is Springers, on Goethestrasse, near the Hauptbahnhof

good number of springer wettannahme shops around, including leopoldstr near to formula 1 cafe.

my money went online here: http://www.onextwo.de/en/wetten/wetten_start.asp

I use www.superodds.com/ - they seem to have the widest range of betting opportunities around the world, and are very easy to transfer money in to and out of...

YL6

where is the best place online to have a flutter? my william hill account is invalid in germany apparently or against some law.

not a chance i am trying a german bookies.

just seen YL6's post. off to scout about on that...