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Russia presents 'evidence' of pro-Nazi Poland

Russian military historian blames Poland for WWII

marinata
Early this summer OSCE declared Soviet Union 'as guilty as the Nazis for World War II'

The organisation based its conclusion on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 which it said was the precursor to the conflagration. The resolution called for a day of remembrance for victims of both Stalinism and Nazism to be marked every August 23, the date in 1939 when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact dividing Eastern Europe between their spheres of influence.

Fury as Russia presents 'evidence' Poland sided with Nazis before war

Luke Harding in Moscow guardian.co.uk,

Tuesday 1 September 2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/russia-poland-nazis-secret-documents


Russia today released secret documents from the archives of its foreign intelligence service that it said showed how Poland sided with the Nazis before the second world war and tried to destroy the Soviet Union.

Russia published 400 pages of documents gathered by undercover Soviet agents between 1935 and 1945, including telegrams, letters and reports intercepted from Polish missions abroad. Their release coincided with the 70th anniversary of the outbreak of war.

The declassified files from Russia's SVR foreign intelligence service allegedly show that Poland was plotting against the Soviet Union in the years preceding the war, which began when Hitler invaded western Poland on 1 September 1939.

Seventeen days later, the Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland. But according to the SVR, Poland was not simply a victim of Soviet aggression, but had been actively pursuing an anti-Soviet foreign policy from the mid-1930s. This included supporting anti-Soviet national groups in Ukraine, the Caucasus and central Asia.

[admincopyright]Lev Sotskov, a retired KGB major general who compiled the documents, said there was evidence Poland signed a secret protocol with Germany in 1934. Citing a report written by an unidentified Soviet agent, he said Poland had agreed to remain neutral if Germany attacked the Soviet Union.

His claims provoked uproar at a press conference in Moscow, with Polish journalists jumping to their feet and denouncing the document as a fake. There were also heated exchanges over the role played by Jozef Beck, Poland's foreign minister in 1939, amid unsubstantiated claims he was a German agent.

The "protocol" goes much further than the 1934 non-aggression pact between Poland and Nazi Germany, under which both sides agreed not to attack each other. Sotskov denied that the release of the protocol was a provocative gesture. "We should be glad these things are coming into the open," he said.

Tonight, Polish historians said there was no evidence to suggest such a protocol ever existed. "This is absolute rubbish," said Mariusz Wolos, of Poland's Academy of Sciences. "Nothing similar has ever turned up in archives in Germany. Just because some agent wrote it doesn't mean it's true. There isn't much new here. The documents [released by the SVR] simply confirm what British, German and Russian historians already know." What would be interesting would be to find out the identities of the Soviet Union's agents in Poland. But they aren't telling us."


Asked why Russia had decided to release such contentious material now, he said: "It's part of the struggle for historical memory. Russia is keen to show that it isn't just Hitler and the Soviet Union who were responsible for the war."

The documents show that a group of Polish spies based in Paris took part in a secret operation called Prometheism to incite an uprising in Ukraine, Georgia and other Soviet territories. "We know all about that. It's already written about," Wolos said.

Other documents declassified include a letter from Hermann Göring following a visit to Warsaw in 1937. Göring passed on an assurance from Hitler that Germany wouldn't attack Poland, warning that the real danger to Poland came from Moscow – "not just from Bolshevism but from Russia".

The publication follows the release two weeks ago of documents on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, signed by the Soviet Union and Germany on the eve of war. Sotskov today repeated his claim that the deal, under which Hitler and Stalin agreed to carve up eastern Europe, "gave the Red Army two years to prepare for the war".






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kthy
Would it be very hard to just post the link instead of quoting the entire article in flagrant disregard of intellectual property legislation?
perdido
No big surprise but another surprise is you may have a copy right infringement there. maybe not.
Dr. Love
It is good that Russia is releasing its archives to the public now and I wish the British and Americans would also do this and release their archives too (some are still classified till around 2030).
IMO certain parts of history would have to be rewritten/revised or seen in a different angle then if they become public.
Time will tell.

As far as Poland not been a victim of WW2 I agree and as the following quotes from Polish politicians at the time reflects the atmosphere you can see how aggressive the tone was.


"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." - Marshall Rydz-Smigly, Poland

"In 1410 we defeated the Germans at Tannenberg, now we are going to lick them at Berlin. The Polish-German frontier is now about 1,000 miles long. After the victory of Berlin, the crowning feature of the unavoidable war with Germany, it will amount to about 270 miles only." - University of Posen, May 4th, 1939

"A struggle between Poland and Germany is inevitable. We must prepare ourselves for it systematically. Our goal is a new Grunewald (The Battle of Tannenberg in July 15th, 1410 when the Teutonic Knights were defeated). However, this time a Grunewald in the suburbs of Berlin. That is to say, the defeat of Germany must be produced by Polish troops in the centre of the territory in order to strike Germany to the heart. Our ideal is a Poland with the Oder and the Neisse as a border in the West. Prussia must be reconquered for Poland, and indeed, Prussia as far as the Spree. In a war with Germany there will be no prisoners and there will be room neither for human feelings nor cultural sentiments. The world will tremble before the German-Polish War. We must evoke in our soldiers a superhuman mood of sacrifice and a spirit of merciless revenge and cruelty."

"Let us be quite clear about the fact that Poland can hear of no peace before she has reached the Oder." - M. Mikolajczyk, President, Agricultural Assoc.' of Greater Poland, June 21st, 1939
HerrDinksbumps
Politically, Russia is scum central...
Joe
It is good that Russia is releasing its archives to the public now and I wish the British and Americans would also do this and release their archives too (some are still classified till around 2030).
IMO certain parts of history would have to be rewritten/revised or seen in a different angle then if they become public.
Time will tell.
How? Are you going to move on to saying it was not all Germany's fault (there is a valid argument along those lines but this ain't it)?
parnell
It is good that Russia is releasing its archives to the public now and I wish the British and Americans would also do this and release their archives too (some are still classified till around 2030).
IMO certain parts of history would have to be rewritten/revised or seen in a different angle then if they become public.
Time will tell.

As far as Poland not been a victim of WW2 I agree and as the following quotes from Polish politicians at the time reflects the atmosphere you can see how aggressive the tone was.


"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." - Marshall Rydz-Smigly, Poland

"In 1410 we defeated the Germans at Tannenberg, now we are going to lick them at Berlin. The Polish-German frontier is now about 1,000 miles long. After the victory of Berlin, the crowning feature of the unavoidable war with Germany, it will amount to about 270 miles only." - University of Posen, May 4th, 1939

"A struggle between Poland and Germany is inevitable. We must prepare ourselves for it systematically. Our goal is a new Grunewald (The Battle of Tannenberg in July 15th, 1410 when the Teutonic Knights were defeated). However, this time a Grunewald in the suburbs of Berlin. That is to say, the defeat of Germany must be produced by Polish troops in the centre of the territory in order to strike Germany to the heart. Our ideal is a Poland with the Oder and the Neisse as a border in the West. Prussia must be reconquered for Poland, and indeed, Prussia as far as the Spree. In a war with Germany there will be no prisoners and there will be room neither for human feelings nor cultural sentiments. The world will tremble before the German-Polish War. We must evoke in our soldiers a superhuman mood of sacrifice and a spirit of merciless revenge and cruelty."

"Let us be quite clear about the fact that Poland can hear of no peace before she has reached the Oder." - M. Mikolajczyk, President, Agricultural Assoc.' of Greater Poland, June 21st, 1939
Umm haven't you directly contradicted the OP however?
Owain Glyndwr
I read it as his quotes backing up what was said in the linked article from the Guardian.
parnell
His quotes support an idea that Poland was keen on a war against Nazi Germany - whereas the Guardian article proclaims that Poland sided with the Nazis...
Owain Glyndwr
sorry, you are right, dunno why i was thinking that.
marinata
His quotes support an idea that Poland was keen on a war against Nazi Germany - whereas the Guardian article proclaims that Poland sided with the Nazis...
Russia trys to convince the world that Poland is blamed for WWII

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/special_reports/50483057.html

Russian military historian blames Poland for WWII


Associated Press -
MOSCOW -- As the Kremlin presses a campaign to recast Russia's 20th century history in a more favorable light, a research paper published on the Defense Ministry's Web site blamed Poland for starting World War II.

The unorthodox reading of history appears to be the latest effort by Russian historians to defend the Soviet Union and its leaders, especially their role in what Russians call the Great Patriotic War. Poland condemned the research paper.

The generally accepted view is that Poland was a victim rather than the aggressor in the conflict, and that Adolf Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland marked the start of the war.

Many Western historians believe Hitler was encouraged to invade by the treaty of nonaggression signed by Moscow and Berlin, called the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, which secretly divided eastern and western Europe into spheres of influence.

Hitler's pact with the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin was signed on Aug. 24, 1939. Germany invaded Poland Sept. 1.

Blaming Poland would deny Russia played a role in starting the war by sealing the secret accord.

The research paper posted on Russia's Defense Ministry Web site is not an official government statement. But the author is listed as Col. Sergei Kovalyov, director of the scientific-research department of military history, part of the Institute of Military History of the Ministry of Defense.

Ministry spokesman Col. Alexander Drobyshevsky told the Interfax news agency that analytical articles posted on the ministry's Web site do not necessarily reflect the ministry's official position.

The paper, titled "Fictions and Falsifications in Evaluating the USSR's Role On the Eve of World War II," recounts how in the run-up to Germany's invasion of Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, Hitler demanded that Poland turn over control of the city of Danzig as well as a land corridor between Germany and the territory now known as Kaliningrad.

"Everyone who has studied the history of World War II without bias knows that the war began because of Poland's refusal to satisfy Germany's claims," he writes.

Kovalyov called the demands "quite reasonable." He observed: "The overwhelming majority of residents of Danzig, cut off from Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, were Germans who sincerely wished for reunification with their historical homeland."
miwild
The Free City of Danzig had a population of 357,000 (1919), 95% of whom were Germans, with the rest mainly either Kashubians or Poles.

The Treaty of Versailles, which had separated Danzig and surrounding villages from Germany, now required that the newly-formed state had its own citizenship, based on residency. German inhabitants lost their German Citizenship with the creation of the Free City, but were given the right within the first two years of the state's existence to re-obtain it; however, if they did so they were required to leave their property and make their residence outside of the Free State of Danzig area in the remaining part of Germany ...
marinata
What Poland did to Soviet Russia was comparable to what the Soviet Union did to Poland in 1939 and thereafter - a cynical land grab accompanied by political repression.
MonksTown
The emergence of Poland as a state and the struggles it was involved in between the wars are more complicated than you are trying to piant here.

Was Molotov simply playing for time signing the secret pact?
Was Chaimberlain simply playing for time when he sold Czechoslovakia out?
BadBob
The Poles and Russians should just get together and have a beer and work things out.
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