Is your toddler getting the flu vaccination? - Germany

In general, I've found German pediatricians less likely than American pediatricians to advocate vaccinations. And today, when I asked my pediatrician about getting the flu shot for my 2-year-old and 4-year-old, she explained that it's "not tested on young children and it can be dangerous." Also, she said, since the flu itself isn't life-threatening for healthy kids, you just deal with them being sick for a week then it's over.

Now, in the States, the flu vaccination is officially recommended by the Centers for Disease Control for kids from 6-months to 4 years and this year, particularly the H1N1 influenza vaccine, is recommended for all kids.

So does your pediatrician recommend or not recommend the flu shot for your toddler? And has anyone talked to their pediatrician specifically about getting them the swine flu shot when it becomes avaialble this fall?

Thanks.

More evidence that the media circus was swallowed hook line and sinker. Of course it's recommend in the States, they make money by selling vaccines!

http://www.nmrm.org/vaccines.html

So do you still want to poison a perfectly healthy kid?

Well, The_Cat, so they get the flu and I take them back to the same pediatrician (who wouldn't give the vaccine) and she then prescribes five or six medications, including antivirals, antibiotics, and more "poisons" (like she did for them last year) for a flu that lasted nearly a month. What's the difference? Less suffering for them.

I guess the probability to be weighed is that they don't catch the flu and thus receive the drugs neither as vaccine or medication.

At the_cat points out, it's largely a cultural difference - generally in Europe only the at risk are vaccinated for flu, in the US the whole population is targetted. The cynical among us, myself included, see it as a revenue raising exercise for drug-producers and the medical world.

H1N1 aside remember that they only ever have a 'best guess' approach at the vaccine they use.

Talking to friends here and in the UK - none of whom have children with serious underlying ailments - they seem to be trying to expose their children to anyone with suspected flu to let them build their own immunity before the winter sets in - a bit like the measles parties of old I suppose.

You have a fucking idiot for a pediatrician. Any doctor prescribing antibiotics for flu and other virus-based diseases should be reported and immediately avoided.

There is also no way that your kids are suffering flu symptoms for an entire month. Stop coddling them. Make staying home sick something they really don't want to do: only tea and toast to eat with a bowl of plain oatmeal for dinner, no TV, no video games, only bed rest and some simple books. Watch how much faster they recover next time.

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So all the movies and pudding aren't helping? ;-)

Last year the sinus congestion from the flu in my 2-year-old blocked her ear canal and allowed bacteria to grow thus requiring antibiotics to clear up a painful ear infection (so I was told). Even very healthy kids under 4-years-old are put in a "high-risk" group in the U.S. for flu vaccinations because of the many common complications from just the regular flu.

I'm a cynic too, and this pig flu thing (which didn't even apparently come from pigs... more like a US government lab) I saw coming a mile off. It's a con. Your child has an immune system which is the best defence in the world. The only drugs you would need to administer would be to control a fever that was spiralling out of control.

I'm staggered that people seem to be so blind to this vaccination bullshit. Read that link I posted above. Many respected doctors and researchers have been saying this for years. How could a parent even contemplate putting shit inside their child when they have no idea of what it is, how it works, where it came from, has it been tested (not on rats, because tests prove that their internal workings are significantly different) and more importantly what the side-effects are.

Anyone that considered immunisation, for anything, without being able to answer these questions is, in my opinion, a total imbecile.

the cat, I read the link. Pfft. The Missinformation age is a dangerous thing.

From your link
Now I also followed the lungusa link and indeed found those exact numbers for total deaths from influenza. BUT I also visited the CDC website to find out for myself if, as the above quote states, the CDC trumpets "flu-death annual numbers as 36,000." (mostly because there was no link on the "Nurses Movement for Responsibility" page to back this quote up).

Hmmm...what did I find?

Also, On the CDC website:

By the time I found that quote, the one at the beginning of my post, I was about 2/3 of the way down the NMR page and already suspicious (actually LMAO) of how many tidbits were made to look like links but were not.

Oh and just FYI, I decided under pressure from in-laws, doctors, and my own Government to exercise my right to make an informed choice and refuse to allow my child to be vaccinated.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present djcrazy's brother in arms. Just what this site needs, another idiot conspiracy theorist.

Because wiping out diseases like smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, pertussis, various types of flu and so many other diseases is a bad thing? No matter how much you poist this stupid, ignorant shit, Jenny McCarthy will not give you a blowjob or even let you squeeze her tits.

Despite being in a really happy place with my daughter reclining on my lap, I'm going to back to being me: I hope you suffer every fucking disease which has ever been alleviated or cured by immunisation Diphtheria, Invasive H. Flu, Malaria, Measles, Pneumococcal Disease, Pertussis (whooping cough), Polio, Tetanus, Typhoid, Yellow Fever and Smallpox (not necessarily in that order; I'd prefer you to get polio last so that the paralysis doesn't rob you of the enjoyment of the pain that typhoid and tetanus have to offer).

I hope like hell that your immune system fails drastically so that all the antibodies your parents were smart enough to provide you with as a baby disappear, leaving you susceptible to death by a fucking summer cold.
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CarolynS, "particularly the H1N1 influenza vaccine, is recommended for all kids."


Hi Carolyn... !

This vaccination is very dangerous. It's suspected by independent researchers, doctors and scientists that it can cause cancer and autoimmune diseases. It was also reported that animal cancer cells were used to produce this so called H1N1 vaccination.

It's highly risky and the protection from any diseases tends to be zero. And by the way, this virus is a big business for pharma industry, Rockefeller foundation and Baxter company.

Google for scandals of Baxter company in context with H1N1 and also google for Austrian journalist called Jane Burgermeister.

WHICH vaccination? There IS NO current targeted vaccination and none is expected before September.

The rest of your post is just so much more bullshit.

The H1N1 strain currently infecting fewer people per year than die in road accidents per day has only been killing immunocompromised people. A single dose of Tamiflu is fairly effective in preventing infection for people at risk. Tamiflu, like every drug, has side effects. I've been looking all over but I can't even find a mention of your bullshit "made with cancer cells" claim even on the wackiest of nutjob sites.

Idiot.

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Exactly, this Tamiflu has side effects and it is not at all useful. It's big money making only.

Btw, there IS vaccination or whatever they call it to be. Few days back, in LMU of Munich volunteers were searched for getting the injections. You are an ignorant fool. Mr. BadDoggie, Better inform yourself before barking!

Reading is fundamental. You should try it some time.

I can play the "downrate people who disagree with me" game as well, and I bet I can play it a lot better than you can.

woof.

Bad Doggie - Despite what is reported on the news, an H1D1 vaccine was patented in April, way before this episode kicked off by a very notorious US pharmaceutical company (Baxter I believe as mentioned above). It is also idiotic to lump "conspiracy theories" into one great homogenous splat. Obviously, some conspiracies will be bullshit and some will of course be actually true. It is up to the individual to weigh up the evidence and make up their own mind. This whole thing stunk from the word go. Conspiracy or not, vaccination safety has become questionable in modern times, and this is not conspiracy, it is mainstream. I have no idea who Jenny McCarthy is by the wy, sorry that is a little lost on me. I would not define myself as ignorant though as I have taken the time to actually read and make informed decisions on certain issues. I resist the urge to retaliate insults with you, that's not my bag.

BonnBonn - I picked that site to list because I felt that it tied in a lot of the key points that I am aware of from elsewhere. Of course, it is obviously to a certain extent a "guerilla site" if you take my meaning just purely by its nature. I take your point, but the crux of what I was saying was simply to do with making an informed choice based on actually taking the time to look up the facts, which you appear to have done.

WRONG, you idiot. Baxter applied for a patent for a new manufacturing process for a multitude of HxNy vaccines using far fewer steps than current methods, speeding production and increasing safety.
WRONG, you fucking idiot. When vaccination was first invented/discovered it used live pathogens. Only with modern science and technology did vaccines become increasingly safer and with advances in testing, monitoring and long-term studies, vaccination has become safer still. I want you to really think about just how stupid you're being in thinking that as science PROgresses and knowledge INcreases, that somehow the results of that science and knowledge could somehow DEcrease.
You're in the statistically insignificant, greater-than-three-sigma outlying region with that one.
As clearly demonstrated by your claim that Baxter has patented H1N1 vaccine when all they did was come up with a much more efficient way of manufacturing vaccines for a whole host of viral vaccines. You don't even know how to read a patent application summary and yet you spew this crap like you're the lovechild of Jonas Salk and Louis Pasteur. Idiot.

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though . I resist the urge to retaliate insults with you, that's not my bag.

BonnBonn - I picked that site to list because I felt that it tied in a lot of the key points that I am aware of from elsewhere. Of course, it is obviously to a certain extent a "guerilla site" if you take my meaning just purely by its nature. I take your point, but the crux of what I was saying was simply to do with making an informed choice based on actually taking the time to look up the facts, which you appear to have done.