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Race and dating

Your thoughts on the elephant in the room

Conquistador
LR, unfortunately you chose to post figures for the raw number of children per 1000 born to all unmarried women ages 15-44, which is far cry from what I posted in post 345, i.e., the percentage of all African-American births which were to unmarried women.

As for setting the record straight, here's what the National Center for Health Statistics had to say about the percentage of African-American children born out of wedlock in 2006:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_07.pdf
Table 20. Number and percentage each state and territory, 2006 [By place of residence]
In this table on page 58, it states that for the entire US, 70.7% of African-American children were born to unmarried mothers.

LR seems to have gotten her information from Table 19 in the same link if anyone is interested in following up.
dee_mala
It seems to me that you are looking for some sort of approval or maybe even kudos for dating outside of your race. I mean, is it really still an issue this day in age? So what if you like to date people of other races. I'm curious about how it has made you a stronger person. It just sounds like you think you are doing something profound. Take that how you want. That's just what it sounds like to me.
TaniMew
Yeah that was one of the biggest reasons for our breakup, her constantly having to make me feel better about having to blow me off for her family commitments. Finally she just said "I can't give you what you want, so I'm letting you go. Be free to do what you want" I felt sick for like 6 months.

I got the out and out racist families sometimes too. The first love's father even told her "if you have to date a non Asian, can't he at least be white?" I fell out of my chair, I couldn't believe it. Looking back tho, I wasn't making the best impression on him. I was an 18 year old kid, wanting to marry his 18 year old only daughter, oldest child, standing there in his house dressed like a punk out of a music video. Wasn't my best days That "you can be friends but nothing more" mentality is common in east Asian Americans I think (Chinese, Korean, Japanese - although Japanese is not so prevalent outside California and Hawaii). I hate to be a broken record here, but again I think perception and TV plays a big influence on their opinions of black Americans. It use to be finding a bad example of a dead beat black father or a young black criminal was a channel click away. And the Korean Americans living in the black neighborhoods in America see the worst of the worst. It's no wonder they don't want their daughters to date a black guy. But times they are a changin'. People have sense, and if you show them another side of something they previously thought was "bad," it might change their opinions.

For all the agenda people out there, that last line was meant specifically in relation to race and dating
That's interesting, too bad it didn't work out. And you're right about the TV stereotypes by the way, my family have never met or physically seen let alone spoken to a black man.

As for Clarissath, well I didn't know we were smelly. The racist opinion from Taiwan is that black people smell. Sometimes humans are pretty horrible creatures.

I need to re.read why race doesn't exist... how could it not? Or are you making a differentiatioin between ethnicity? Will read up.
clarissath
sorry TaniMew but you totally misunderstood me
how could i say you smell,its terrilbe
i said it was a mentality people have that asians have a bad udour on them
mentalities are not facts
secondly my advice was on your dating the african guy
so i said be careful bc before you realise it thousands of them will come just to get their own share
i will give this advice to my daughter and to any other girl
stay blessed
flint24
And you're right about the TV stereotypes by the way, my family have never met or physically seen let alone spoken to a black man.

The racist opinion from Taiwan is that black people smell. Sometimes humans are pretty horrible creatures.
I've spent the better half of a week explaining to people on this thread that there are people out there like that, a lot actually, in the dating world, and this kind of thinking DOES affect how they date. They seem to think I'm making all this up in my head, and making trouble, and that apparently this is a non issue Tell that to the black guy trying to date a Taiwanese guys daughter. LOL

Anyway thanks for sharing. I read in your profile your Japanese. 日本語わはなすですか?
Pas
Thanks!
Race does exist, though:
Spend half an hour on the wiki page on Race.
PezMom3
Conquis- why do you assume that the children's father are deadbeat dads? What a crock of shit. My parents weren't married when I was born, but they stayed together 20+ years later. There's men who spend time with their child/pay child support etc. A child born out of wedlock doesn't mean that the dad split.
Pas
Bullshit flint. All we are saying is that you've draw a conclusion that it's 'race' when it's a hell of a lot more complicated than that. You've finally managed to admit the article is not scientific. You've finally managed so admit that style of clothing could be a factor. So how is it so difficult to say that there are many issues in cross cultural relationships rather than trying to pin it on 'race' without any 'fact' to back that up.
Pas
Walk away Pezmom3. You'll have more success moving Everest than getting Conqy to admit he's wrong.
clarissath
he still has not understood, i mean Flint
let me explain in the most simple terms
if birds of the same feather are clotching together
it simply means that they have something in common and that could be their level of education,culture,and
likewise for socio-economic motives,it could be they ve similar ways to dress or even their food

but this does not mean they have a bias mind or hatred on the others
Hazza
So basically you're comparing my race with a disability? Damn, seriously you just don't get it and are totally clueless to another point of view. I mean I get your point, and I always try to be the cool guy first and not the cool [insert race] guy. However it's been my experience in dating that my race ALWAYS comes up. In Germany and especially Bayern it's ridiculous for people to ignore it. I'm obviously not German. I don't let this fact stop me from making friends. I don't let this stop me from dating girls, so I think it's YOU who's making up all these assumptions about me. You've never even met me before, so you don't know what my race is! Race and dating is not a big deal anymore actually, I expect it. But to just ignore it when I meet her parents/friends/associates like "they didn't just ask me about my family background" and walk away every time they ask me about my background and family is absurd.
You know, when I wrote this I expected you to reply that way and you haven't disappointed. I didn't compare the disability part of it - merely the looking different aspect of a different race. And yes, a black guy in an all white office will stand out in a similar way to someone in a wheelchair. That's how the comparison is valid. It just reconfirms to me that you like to scream "racist" at any opportunity. Oh and I know you're black, because you already told us:

...Being a black man...
If Hazza has experience in the subject matter I'll listen. I know this is kinda mean and cold of me to say, but at this point can you really blame me?
I consider every date I have to be outside of my own race. If I was living in apartheid South Africa, then I would not be classed as white - I would be classed as "coloured". So when I date a white girl, I'm dating outside of my race...right??

I got the out and out racist families sometimes too. The first love's father even told her "if you have to date a non Asian, can't he at least be white?" I fell out of my chair, I couldn't believe it. Looking back tho, I wasn't making the best impression on him. I was an 18 year old kid, wanting to marry his 18 year old only daughter, oldest child, standing there in his house dressed like a punk out of a music video. Wasn't my best days That "you can be friends but nothing more" mentality is common in east Asian Americans I think (Chinese, Korean, Japanese - although Japanese is not so prevalent outside California and Hawaii). I hate to be a broken record here, but again I think perception and TV plays a big influence on their opinions of black Americans. It use to be finding a bad example of a dead beat black father or a young black criminal was a channel click away. And the Korean Americans living in the black neighborhoods in America see the worst of the worst. It's no wonder they don't want their daughters to date a black guy. But times they are a changin'. People have sense, and if you show them another side of something they previously thought was "bad," it might change their opinions.

For all the agenda people out there, that last line was meant specifically in relation to race and dating
Parents are weird anyway...I've dated women who's parents weren't happy with the career path I'd chosen. My current girlfriend's parents worry that I'm going to take her away from them to Australia. Maybe I've just been lucky, but in my whole life, there was only one mum who was concerned about my background, but after she got to know me, everything was fine. There are small-minded people everywhere and parent's are naturally protective. If it wasn't race, then they'd find something else to complain about. It's not as big a deal as you make it out to be...

...If no one thought there was an elephant in the room, and no one wanted to think about/talk about this topic, then why did so many people come here to say exactly that? Why all the blaming and finger-pointing? If it's such a non-issue then why bother stopping in at all? Just to change the mind of one "troll"? I'm sure all you super broad-minded, progressive people have better things to do than bang your head against a wall.
Because it's people like this that turn it into an issue and ruin things for the rest of us. As I've said before: Screaming racism where it's not evident devalues real claims of racism...
TaniMew
I've spent the better half of a week explaining to people on this thread that there are people out there like that, a lot actually, in the dating world, and this kind of thinking DOES affect how they date. They seem to think I'm making all this up in my head, and making trouble, and that apparently this is a non issue Tell that to the black guy trying to date a Taiwanese guys daughter. LOL

Anyway thanks for sharing. I read in your profile your Japanese. 日本語わはなすですか?
To be honest all this arguing is a little over my head. (Plus I get too confused trying to follow pages and pages of circular debate...). I think everyone of course can have a valid opinion regarding interracial dating, and it's also obvious that those who actually have considered it / done it/ fought against it or whatever will have a more first-person view. Whatever.

I'm only Japanese on paper. It's kind of complicated. I'm Cambodian-Taiwanese. Raised mostly in Rome, Italy. Hai nihongo hanasemasu!

And Clarissath, I have no hard feelings towards you. I think I understand that you were trying to warn me (albeit in a way which reads very badly...)
NycLabrets
Conquis- why do you assume that the children's father are deadbeat dads? What a crock of shit. My parents weren't married when I was born, but they stayed together 20+ years later. There's men who spend time with their child/pay child support etc. A child born out of wedlock doesn't mean that the dad split.
Bingo.

I saw that too.

He did that as a cheap rhetorical debating trick.

Pure troll bait.

He sneeringly laid out a set of statistics as a trap while subtly dropping in his contemptuous underlying morality, which he finds to be superior to all others.

Especially, yours.

And everybody elses.

What he wanted was for people to argue with him over the numbers, pretty much like a cat chasing its tail, because as long as they were caught up doing that they'd never be able to get around to going after his real argument.

Which is, in his mind, and in there alone, obviously, the Holy State of Marriage is Morally Superior to any other arrangements that people may choose for themselves in terms of who they choose to love and how they want to live their lives.

And anyone that disagrees with him is a Sinner, against Man and God.

Obviously.

Here's the thing.

It's patent and utter nonsense.

Who the fuck is he, or any one else that dictates from on high like that, to set rules like that about other people's personal lives?

Especially, since the fact of the matter truly is that over all 'Marriage' is a proven Institution of Dysfunction that does not work for most people.

Over half of ALL American marriages FAIL.

Since that is the case, then what exactly is so great about Marriage then, if it ends up being rejected by the majority of all couples?

How is it that a Minority Opinion, such as his is, is the superior one?

What, exactly, is that based one?

Where did he come up with these ideas of his, the ones that fly in the face of Basic Reality?

He's already more than established that he's not the brightest light on the tree, so it's clear he lacks the mental fire power to do something like that.

My guess is is that some authority in his life told him that it's in the bible, and being a good little obedient sort, he bought it.

Good for him.

Just go away leave the rest of the rational world alone with that crap.

I mean just look at the mindset.

If his ideas were to gain mass acceptance what would that mean?

Lets run some numbers, shall we?

On top of the fact that over 50% of all marriages end in divorce, in America almost half of all couples, 48% as of the 2000 Census, are livin together in Sin without them respecting the Sanctity of the Sacred Bonds of Holy Matrimony.

That's an awful lot of people to condemn broadside with one stroke of the brush, don't you think?

And then there are the children to think of.

Almost 4 out of 10 American children are currently born out of wedlock.

Take all those together, the failed Marriages, the living out of wedlock Sinners, and their Misbegotten, Illegitimate, Bastard, Son of Bitching Children, and, on the whole, that's probably most people in the US.

What about all those people?

Where do they fit in his Black & White, no middle ground world, world?

Short answer, one that's been provided through out history, is that they don't.

In a 'Convert Or Die' sort of way.

He's a total Hater, for one.

And for another, what am I doing spending so much time on this?

I don't think a single person on here can find one single instance where his opinion about anything has any resemblance to the Reality Based world we all live in, so what's the point?

Oh, right, he's a Troll, and as such, he really doesn't care about anything but stirring up shit.

Which he just did.

Good for him.
seth17
Actually in this Conq brought up something that is so heart breaking economically , in fact I can't begin to describe all the damage those numbers represent in the African American communitunities.

But it is NOT for this topic. We could start a 15 page discussion just on how to help better that situation. (and it's not a moral discussion on marriage.)
flint24
Parents are weird anyway...I've dated women who's parents weren't happy with the career path I'd chosen. My current girlfriend's parents worry that I'm going to take her away from them to Australia. Maybe I've just been lucky,
You call "if you must date outside your race, why can't he be white" only "weird?" Right...

Saying a black guy in an office full of white guys is the equivalent of a person in a wheelchair full of a room of abled bodied people shows you're completely clueless to what I'm trying to say. That is pretty insensitive and shows me you have a lot more growing to do in the way you view people that are "different." disabled guy = black guy. You keep internalizing that image... that's a good one.

I get the analogy but perhaps you should have chosen a better one.
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