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Aboriginal man 'cooked to death' in prison van

Australian private security firm to blame

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Chocky
This actually made me sick when I read it. I hope the two guards that were transporting him for four hours across the outback get the punishment that's due.
As a footnote; I wonder what the chances of this happening to a white man would be?
Bell the cat
it is sickening.
grampus
Happens in UAE with kids too...

In April 2008 an Indian boy, Aatish Shabin, died when he was locked in a bus that carried him to kindergarten in Abu Dhabi. Last month four-year-old Aiman Zeeshanuddin died in similar circumstances on a private bus taking her to school in Musaffah.
Not to "do down" the story from Chocky above, but can you imagine entrusting your bairn to somebody to get them to school and then that happens... Doesn't bear thinking about...
eurovol
My niece was locked on a school bus in the southern US heat. Thankfully she was OK, but this shit happens more often than you think.
legal_alien
in 2005 a government survey revealed that, while Aborigines comprised 2-3% of the population, they accounted for 20% of prisoners.
There are so many ways to kill a black man - or woman, or child - over there and get away with it. This happened in Jan 08, and only now do the guards get 'suspended'?
Bumpy
Didn't something like this happen across Europe during the Summer of 2003?
Lorelei
It doesn't sound as if this was an accident. The heat in the back of the van must have been far higher than 47C for him to suffer third degree burns when he fell on the floor.

The security guards, who did not check to see if he needed a toilet break, food or water, had breached their duty of care. Even when they heard a thud in the back of the van they failed to check properly and instead threw water on Ward through the chained-up inner door, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Four Corners programme reported.
Hutcho
There are so many ways to kill a black man - or woman, or child - over there and get away with it. This happened in Jan 08, and only now do the guards get 'suspended'?
Some evidence to back this up? Because frankly, that's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a long while.

It doesn't sound as if this was an accident. The heat in the back of the van must have been far higher than 47C for him to suffer third degree burns when he fell on the floor.
Well if the sun was somehow shining on the floor, it could have been substantially hotter than the actual temperature in there. However the whole thing sounds somewhat unusual.
Lorelei
Well if the sun was somehow shining on the floor, it could have been substantially hotter than the actual temperature in there.
If the outside temperature was 47C and the floor was made of metal, it would hardly be necessary for the sun to be shining on the floor in order for it to heat up.

...van while it travelled 250 miles from Laverton to Kalgoorlie in 47C heat...He also had a cut on his head from falling in the van and a third-degree burn to his stomach from lying on the vehicle's hot metal floor.
Hutcho
Well unless the sun was shining on it, the floor couldn't have been hotter than 47 degrees, which isn't going to give you third degree burns.
Chocky
So what's your point Hutcho? The guy died as a result of overheating, and (according to the report) he had 3rd degree burns, so whether the sun was shining on the floor, he was subjected to actual physical abuse, or he was intentionally cooked alive is irrelevant. The fact is, he is dead, and he died as a result of negligence, intentional or otherwise at the hands of the two cunts who were driving the van.
legal_alien
Some evidence to back this up? Because frankly, that's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a long while.
Well, I quoted the article saying that 20% of all prisoners were Aboriginal - a good way to take someone’s life away is lock them up. Also in my above statement I pointed out that the 2 responsible for this were still doing to the same job for 18 months after it happened, which I find shocking.
I lived in Oz shortly after the royal commission into police murders, so that is my frame of reference and it's not current I admit. Also, my dad is a racist Australian - another outdated point of reference as we haven’t spoken for many years.
So, maybe it is bullshit, but it's just my perception that a country founded on genocide and with a recent history of police indifference/brutality takes time to change. Maybe the police do spend as much time investigating murders of Aborigines as anyone else.
tim555
Well, I quoted the article saying that 20% of all prisoners were Aboriginal - a good way to take someone’s life away is lock them up.
Locked up after being tried and convicted in a court of law, just like anyone else, and by the sounds of it just like these guards will be. We're not racist bastards who go around arbitrarily imprisoning Aborigines for the fun of it, so please drop the 'All Aussies are racist because someone I know is' bullshit.
Lorelei
Locked up after being tried and convicted in a court of law, just like anyone else, and by the sounds of it just like these guards will be.
There's nothing in the Guardian article to indicate that the guards will be tried in a court of law. It simply says they've been suspended from duty, while this ABC report says that they they've just been transferred to another location. So it looks as if no crime was committed by Australian standards.

"The contractors have moved those two employees from Kalgoorlie to Perth, and they are no longer involved in prisoner transport," [the coroner] said... No action was taken against the officers by their company GSL. A GSL representative said they had not broken any of the procedures or rules.
Chocky
'All Aussies are racist because someone I know is' bullshit.
Of course not all Aussies are racist, but unfortunately your people are represented by your government and the way it operates reflects on the population as a whole. Too bad.
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