The Mac Worship Thread

Well I could have posted 10 or more if you really wanted. I just figured it would be easier for you to take your pick of one
of the many links around.

Just because its 6 months old, does that mean the Govt. will just stop the Investigation? I think not.
Do you even know how fast the Govt. Inves. system works? It doesn't look like to me.

Obviously you didn't dig enough (As you stated you were to lazy). If you did you would have read the the Investigation is real.
As was the Lawsuit and SEC Investigation into Apples Illegal stock backdating scam.
Now lets see you come back saying that the SEC website is incorrect on that one as well..

Let's see a PC do this which apparently everyone already has seen since it was posted not too long ago.

(I hope I will recognize the day when I become a total idiot, and not just a little bit of a fool.)

That's the same video Gen posted 20 or so posts ago...

This is for Darkknight and all the other Mac lovers out there. Get well soon Steve.

He's already well enough to return to work...

Ok, how about some updated news on the investigation by the SEC and the continued Shareholder complaints they are receiving (Updated 1hr ago)..
Is that new enough for you... - Analyst say Apple has violated SEC disclosure rules

Don't think that the SEC won't or isn't already in the middle of an Investigation.

And as such Apple and Jobs played down the severity of his health and withheld the full/correct info from its board and shareholders.. A big no no..

And its not the 1st time Apple has been the target of an SEC investigation..

So make of it or "spin it" (Fanboys/Girls) whichever way you want..

Lets get back to the topic of worshipping Macs. And forget legal or health issues. Otherwise this thread will dissolve into a "he said - she said"

I bought a MacBook a while ago and gave it a real go, but frankly, I can't see any advantage to it over Vista. However, I can see lots of disadvantages. There's lots of software that I'm used to but isn't available for Mac, and virtually no games are available natively for it. Also, a number of little things really piss me off, like the fact that when using finder you can't cut and paste files (copy is fine, just no cut), and you can only resize windows on one corner. I use two screens, and all I seem to be doing is readjusting screens and moving them around the place the whole damn time. On Windows I maximize everything and use Alt-Tab to go between them. Alt-Tab on the Mac takes me between applications, but not between windows so this doesn't really help me. If I want to go back and forward, the universal alt-tab is a lot easier than trying to think whether the two windows are of the same application or not, so that I can choose between alt-tab and alt-~.

I feel like I'm constantly using the mouse on the Mac, something that I find very inefficient. I bought an external mouse for the laptop, and that's not too bad, but when I have to use the trackpad everything slows down amazingly due to the fact there is no freaking right mouse button! Further to that, there are no page up, page down, end, home and delete keys. I use these keys all the time. Using the shortcut keys like ctrl - right to go to the end of the line is a lot more difficult that just reaching up to the end key.

The task bar on Macs suck as well. There is no need for these big ass icons to be taking up a load of the screen. A very small amount of my time on a PC revolves around me opening a program. What I need to see is what I have currently open and running. On the Mac, a large space is devoted to unused icons, and only a small amount to the windows that are open, and even then it provides a really bad overview that requires me to again use my mouse to see what is minimized. Vista is optimal in this regard, having a space with small icons for quick launch (of which I have three - Firefox, Outlook and a terminal window), and the rest of it is showing me what I've got open. The situation improved a bit when I found I could hide the taskbar so I didn't have to look at it again and I reclaimed a load of desktop space, but the situation with knowing what is open is now even worse.

Frankly, I think some people just see the shiny box and then somehow become Mac evangelists, completely ignoring the downfalls of the operating system in comparison to Windows. I can understand that a lot of the problems that I have with it come from my long usage of Windows, but really, after giving it a good shot, I feel a lot more inefficient using Mac OS.

The only possible advantage with Mac OS is that you're less likely to get a virus. However, I don't believe the operating system is inherently more secure, the only reason there are no viruses is because the market share is so low that no one bothers. As soon as someone does, all hell is going to break loose, cause all Mac users think they are above it and have no protection.

Currently I'm running Vista on my Mac, and it's pretty sweet. Nice hardware, and a nice operating system that "just works" and doesn't frustrate me like Mac OS. I'm still sorely missing the page up/page down/delete/home and end keys though as well as the second mouse button.

I think you didn't spend enough time with OS X. Everything you had an issue with is resolvable through settings. In terms of games and apps, I think unless it's highly specialised, it's nearly all available for mac, anyway games should be played on your PS3, not your laptop.

@Hutcho: Are you aware that except the gaming part, all your complains could be easily solved via settings and/or another way to do the things?

I somehow can understand you because the first time I used a Mac it took me long time to get used to it, and I have been using computer for 25 years already (and unix-like OSes for 20 years). But after I mastered all the tricks and learnt the different why to do the things, I think I would never use Windows again if I can avoid it. I even miss OSX when I am working with Linux.

And about the virus, it is not only the smaller market share, the OS is designed in a way that makes more difficult to make viruses for it.

I have no interest in games, and actually no interest in the operating system as such. The #1 most important things that switching to Macs sorted for me was:

1. Reliable and consistent operation. Windows XP turns into a mushy mess after 6 months that is slow too boot, and throws up errors and general aggro and seems to run at weird speeds etc. Windows always runs sweet for the first few months and then bogs down into a mess. Apples are very smooth running compared.

2. Backups. Time Machine and restores etc with a Time Capsule is brilliant and has already saved me once from a fried hard drive. Backups on Windows were always a bodgy mess.

Ultimately I still use the same programmes like Firefox, Adobe, Word etc etc. So the operating system is ONLY there to ensure programmes run and backups run.

p.s. My son just a computer. German Windows Vista - for me it's hell on earth!!

Please let me know where the setting is that allows me to add 5 new buttons to the keyboard (page up, page down, end, home and delete).

That would go to the "New way to do things". Do you know about combinations of keys that produce the same result?

What exactly? Because I would argue that Vista has all the same features as Mac OS (automatic updates, UAC controls) but has additional ones for Spyware, Adware and Viruses.

Agreed, however with Vista I haven't had this issue yet.

Time machine is good, I'll give you that. Much better than anything that comes with windows.

Yes, I know about the combinations, but they are heaps more inefficient than having single keys. I use these 5 keys all the time, I don't want to have to use two buttons for them, nor do I want to learn a "new way of doing things" unless that new way is faster and more efficient. In this case it isn't.

I've outlined some facts why I think Mac OS sucks. I really can't find any facts why Mac OS is better. People just say that they are more efficient using it, or that Windows is hell or that they simply like Mac OS better. That's fine, but I think it's really just personal opinion rather than it actually being better.

Windows concentrate in finding solutions AFTER you got the problem (anti spyware, viruses, etc). Unix-like systems concentrate in not leaving any open door for these kind of things to happen.

It is very unlikely that a unix-like system will allow you to modify/alter any binary that belongs to the operating system itself due to a more secure design. Even memory leak exploits are very limited because you can run random code only in the scope of the process you are exploiting, what normally is very limited.

Hey Hutcho, just some things off the top of my head. I'm sure there are tons more, and tons of counterpoints... really it's only fanboys who argue passionately about it, and for the rest of us, it's as you say: "get what you like"

1) Mac OS is (at least partially) Open Source, so it receives more thorough security reviews
2) Mac OS is more efficient at distributing tasks among different cores/processors... something that will be more important moving forward.