Formula One 2009 season (F1 motor racing)

Chrysler? lol

Team Audi?

I think I saw Dave Richardson was interested again so my guess the third one more likely to be Pro-Drive.

Pro-Drive otherwise known as Aston Martin

The ruling handed down from the FIA is arse. What a crock of shit. I would've expected Hamilton to at least have lost a few races worth of points and for McLaren to have been given a hefty fine or points loss. It is the equivalent to theft after all.

Which one are you talking about?
Oh that one. I guess people will be arguing about that for a few weeks yet, and again at the end of the season if he retains his crown.

I see Mosley's son has been found dead at the age of 39. How long will it be before jokes are out on this one?

Why? Schumacher parked his car across the track at Monaco a few years back denying anyone else a chance to beat his pole time. He told the stewards he hadn't done it on purpose and they told him they didn't believe him (therefore he was lying) and sent him to the back of the grid with a slap on the wrist. It's no more theft than when Drogba drops in an agonised heap in the box week in week out for Chelsea trying to claim a penalty. It's most definitely unsporting though.

Apart from that, McLaren were handed a totally disproportionate fine over the spying affair which I have no doubt prompted Mercedes to say to the FIA, do that again and will will withdraw immediately, taking not just McLaren but Brawn and Force India with us.

Tim.

Max Mosley's son has been found dead in his London pad:

From ITV

It was at the end of quali session, the times were pretty much established. Not that makes it any better.
Whether he did or not, I don't know. But there is a huge difference to that (which they couldn't prove as he just claimed driver error) and Hamiltron which was blatantly obvious and when called on this, they continued the lie.
I have no idea what a Drogba is, but what they did is definitely tantamount to theft. Their actions, if successful, would have given them increased points revenue at the cost of Toyota.
Totally disagree, the spying affair was about as serious as it gets in F1, and the fines need to be massive otherwise they're meaningless.

What penalty will McLaren* be handed for this?

*No actual wrongdoing is alleged.

Dear oh dear. That's the pits!

Of course it was done at the end of qualies, otherwise it wouldn't have worked! The point was to stop at Alonso, at least, from getting the pole and he screwed up several other driver's times too. There's no difference at all, the stewards were lied to in both cases.

Oh come off it, I have no idea how long you've been following F1 but spying has always been going on, the teams even employed people to listen in to other teams radios and to take covert pictures of the cars. Spying has been going on at every level for years. You will be hard pressed to find anyone in F1 that thought that fine was anywhere near justified. Especially when Renault got caught doing the same thing and got off scot free.

Well, I think you're being blind if you think they are the same.

1. MS involved in an incident where he parks the car, blocking other drivers - unprovable, but was given a penalty as it was highly questionable.
2. LH involved in incident. Lied to stewards afterwards. On a second hearing when presented with the EVIDENCE of the offence, continued the lie.

Big difference. We can agree that Schumi may have lied, but we cannot prove it one way or the other. We can prove Lewis' offence without a shadow of a doubt and see that he and the team colluded in deceiving the stewards.

I agree spying always goes on, but the trick is not being caught. You get caught, you get spanked. Also the level of the McLaren's spying and the evidence against them warranted the fine they received.
Max, Bernie, Ferrari and probably a number of others too.
I don't recall them doing the same thing. Do you mean their part in the McLaren scandal?

He probably means this: Renault