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Accident aboard Qantas flight in Australia

Sudden change in altitude, 40 passengers hurt

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marie-claire
Another Qantas emergency landing:

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Oct 7 - QF72 carrying 303 passengers and 10 crew, from Singapore to Perth, forced to make an emergency landing at Exmouth, in northern Western Australia, after experiencing a sudden change in altitude which sparked a mayday call.

Dozens injured in Qantas mid-air incident

Related topic: Boeing 747 emergency lands after fuselage rupture
Matt T
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...the loss of altitude was severe enough to drive people head first into the cabin ceiling, causing major injuries.

Given that, I imagine that cabin-crew will be a high proportion of the injured.

Anyone on that flight still wondering why you're advised to keep your seat-belt on at all times? Didn't think so.
HEM
QUOTE (Matt T @ Oct 7 2008, 1:34 pm) *
Anyone on that flight still wondering why you're advised to keep your seat-belt on at all times? Didn't think so.

Slightly different but I'd always amazed that when a plane lands & is still high-speed taxiing you can hear click, click, click through the cabin as people undo their belts. It doesn't seem to penetrate their skulls that they wont get off the plane any quicker & if the pilot stamps on the brakes there will be at least one witness for the airline...
DDBug
I've seen that happen. Flight landing in the states (Utah I believe) and after the second warning by the pilot to remain seated he "tapped" the brakes. laugh.gif
marie-claire
Here is better link (including maps): Up to 40 injured in Qantas mid-air jet 'upset' and a list of Recent incidents on Qantas flights.
HEM
Are you trying to stir things?
Keydeck
Probably trying to prove Raymond wrong.
marie-claire
Sorry, I didn't mean to prove anyone wrong. Who is Raymond?
silty1
See the film Rain Man. smile.gif

Dustin Hoffmann's character says Qantas the only major airline w/o fatal accident. Filmed in 1988...
bluedave
See what happens when i'm out of work? wink.gif
sarabyrd
Now we know it's all your fault for having worked on airplanes at all.
marie-claire
QUOTE (silty1 @ Oct 7 2008, 2:19 pm) *
See the film Rain Man.

Dustin Hoffmann's character says Qantas the only major airline w/o fatal accident. Filmed in 1988...

Thanks Silty!
phenomenon
QUOTE (silty1 @ Oct 7 2008, 1:19 pm) *
See the film Rain Man.

Dustin Hoffmann's character says Qantas the only major airline w/o fatal accident. Filmed in 1988...

That is a bit misleading. Qantas does have its share of fatal accidents. It has however never lost an aircraft.
Qantas (Wikipedia)
Bell the cat
er, wikipedia says "no fatalities" on each of those incidents.
silty1
While it is true that the company has neither lost a jet airliner nor had any jet fatalities, it had eight fatal accidents and an aircraft shot down between 1927 and 1945, with the loss of 63 people. Half of these accidents and the shoot-down occurred during World War II, when the Qantas aircraft were operating on behalf of Allied military forces. Post-war, it lost another two aircraft with the loss of 17 lives. To this date, the last fatal accident suffered by Qantas was in 1951.

So must have been prop planes or passengers flapping their arms really hard.
gemini
I was reading recently about the amount of airplane maintanence that is now being outsourced, with apparently poor oversight. Worrying.

Also does make me more in favor of buying an airplane seat for infants less than two as opposed to lap babies. This happens too frequently for comfort.
HEM
QUOTE (gemini @ Oct 8 2008, 10:46 am) *
I was reading recently about the amount of airplane maintanence that is now being outsourced, with apparently poor oversight. Worrying.

Sweeping statement. Like Air Berlin outsource their work to Lufthansa Maintenance - which sounds to be pretty good for safety.
marie-claire
QUOTE (gemini @ Oct 8 2008, 10:46 am) *
Also does make me more in favor of buying an airplane seat for infants less than two as opposed to lap babies. This happens too frequently for comfort.

I also worry about the infant beds (I think Qantas calls them skycots). They are not very safe.
BadDoggie
Then pay for a fucking seat for your kid and strap the brat into an air safety-rated car seat. The people pissing and moaning about airplane baby cots are inevitably the ones who are unwilling to pay the additional fare for the protection of their children. If it's that much of a concern the option exists.

woof.
marie-claire
I agree with you BadDoggie, I just don't think many people are aware of this option.
Timmeh
Children under, say, 10 shouldn't be allowed on planes at all. There should be a separate service for whining, crying, pant-shitting creatures.
DDBug
That used to be the smoking section - where I met many a non-smoker back in the day who were there for that very reason.
gideon
QUOTE (Timmeh @ Oct 8 2008, 12:22 pm) *
There should be a separate service for whining, crying, pant-shitting creatures.

Do you mean an exclusive Australian section then?
Crawlie
QUOTE (marie-claire @ Oct 8 2008, 11:22 am) *
I agree with you BadDoggie, I just don't think many people are aware of this option.

People are aware but will not pay the extra. Simple as
Darkknight
Yall are going to love this... - Qantas Blames Wireless For Aircraft Incidents
Thats right.. Bluetooth Mice and Wifi (Yes the Same Wifi thats still in use by many Airlines, and thats making a comeback)

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An Australian airline Qantas Airbus A330-300, suffered "a sudden change of altitude" on Tuesday. "The mid-air incident resulted in injuries to 74 people, with 51 of them treated by three hospitals in Perth for fractures, lacerations and suspected spinal injuries when the flight bound from Singapore to Perth had a dramatic drop in altitude that hurled passengers around the cabin." Now it seems Qantas is seeking to blame interference from passenger electronics, and it's not the first time; "In July, a passenger clicking on a wireless mouse mid-flight was blamed for causing a Qantas jet to be thrown off course".
Darkknight
Looks like they've changed their mind after further Inves.

Computer error behind Qantas midair drama

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preliminary investigations into a Qantas Airbus A330 mishap where 51 passengers were injured has concluded that it was due to the Air Data Inertial Reference System feeding incorrect information into the flight control system — not interference from passenger electronics, as Qantas had initially claimed. Quoting from the ABC report: "Authorities have blamed a faulty onboard computer system for last week's mid-flight incident on a Qantas flight to Perth. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau said incorrect information from the faulty computer triggered a series of alarms and then prompted the Airbus A330's flight control computers to put the jet into a 197-meter nosedive... The plane was cruising at 37,000 feet when a fault in the air data inertial reference system caused the autopilot to disconnect. But even with the autopilot off, the plane's flight control computers still command key controls in order to protect the jet from dangerous conditions, such as stalling, the ATSB said."
Fribble
I've just heard that there was another mid-air incident involving Qantas late last evening...? Something about the auto pilot taking over at an inopportune moment, the way it was described to me.
marie-claire
There has been another problem on a Qantas flight: "Blind" Qantas Jet guided into airport

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"The captain woke us up at sunrise and said 'we're on our way to Auckland' and I thought, 'that's weird — I thought I was going to Sydney'," he said.

"He explained they'd been flying blind and he'd found an Air New Zealand jet to guide them in.

"There was no drama, no panic — it was absolutely beautifully handled (but) that's not to say I wasn't wondering why the (radar) antenna had gone."
Owain Glyndwr
big fuss over nothing, really. When my old man started flying they didn't even have nav aids like weather radars.
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