Cheap airfares offered

Hi there Guys and Guls

We are a travel agency based in Berlin by the name of Future Travels, GmbH. We would like to offfer you good prices from Germany to anywhere in the world.

Please contact us for your travel needs.

Amir A.
Future Travels Gmbh
Torf Str. 19
13353 Berlin
030-45977280
01637952664

Thanks

OK, what's your deal on Munich-Dublin-Munich for the beginning of September?
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Looking for Munich-Bangkok-Munich, depart mid to late November, back 1st Week January 2009.

Hey there

Ok. so for Dublin assuming you will return in 10 days time

Aerlingus . €160 eur
Swiss €212 eur

Hope you find it cheap and good!!
Thanks Amir

I need a fare calculation MUC-BEIJING-MUC or MUC- Shanghai-MUC (Whichever is cheaper) departing 20.09.2008 and returning on 03.10.08 (dates are flexible + or - 3 days).

Thanks!

Not sure what you are offering. All scheduled and budget airlines sell all their seats online these days, and the online prices. There is no way to get them cheaper for the traveller. If you are a registered travel agency, and subscribed to the international booking systems, then you can get your commission, but that's it.

So what can you offer that is not possible online?

If that was so collin than why ado you see all the travel agencies all over the world.
It depends, if you can buy something cheap on the internet not everyone can. We get special fares from Airlines directly which is a cheaper thenm the web
EXAMPLE. if you see my price for member garibaldi for DUBLIN i have quoted 160 eur. can u find this price on the net??? NEVER

try it
Amir

Hi Amir

what is your deal for Frankfurt - Sydney in December 2008 or April 2009?

thanks
m-c

Hi Amir,

any good deals for Munich Mauritius Munich?

Cheers

I cannot find a website or a street address or a telephone book entry for your company.

Where is your location? Just a telephone number to book a ticket?? Do I get the ticket, or at least a written booking confirmation and the Sicherungsschein, before I pay?

Sorry Guys, i did not know that i would expect so many inquires from you people
I will surely make good deals for everyone.

We will provide you with everything officially. We are not SCAM.
You will have E-Tickets with Rechnung or Invoice.

My contact details.
Amir A.
Future Travels GmbH
Torf str 19.
13353 Berlin

03045977280 office ( 4 lines )
01637952664 ( my number )
msn: pak_wiz@hotmail.com

MUC-TYS-MUC over Christmas and New Years, flexible on travel dates (range 18.12-9.1), 2 adult 1 child = ???

(somebody should invite Just Travel to get in on this - call it the eTravel thread )

Sorry completely wrong - I have flown to Dublin from Berlin with Aer Lingus on a number of occassions for less that 160 Eur. Aer Lingus, Ryanair and EasyJet guarantee that the online prices are the cheapest. Sites like Opodo will always get you the cheapest available schedule fares - I know I've used them and compared.

Sure if someone is too lazy to learn basic internet usage, then they can pay a premium to a travel agent - and if there is enough business there, good for you. What do you mean the not everyone can buy things on the internet. All you need is a web browser, and a credit or debit card - the only thing you can't do is pay by cash.

Travel agents around the world have been going bankrupt for years now. The ones that have survived, have either been bought up by the big travel companies, or specialise in niche markets such as specialist tours etc.

And finally, does your travel agency business also operate your business for unlocking mobile phones, or is that a different venture?

Nice one Colin

By the way, I just went to the Aer Lingus web site and got a price for Munich-Dublin-Munich - leaving 5 September, returning 16 September. The total price, including all taxes: 145.07 Eur.

So sorry, mate you are more expensive than online.

Hi collin

I agree with you!!

But this is not the case with us.
The dates you mentioned I can give it for 128 eur. Now check the dates for 5 to 15 sept. Can you find it for 160 eur???
Like i said , you cannot!

But if you are not interested in buying from me. Its ok.

Correct, 15 September would cost another 74 Euro. However garabaldi did not ask for specific dates, he asked for prices at the start of September, so I assume he would travel back on the 16th if he want's the best price.

Again, if you are going to offer the prices you say, either you are going to loose alot of money or Aer Lingus are lying on their web site. I quote form the Aer Lingus web site:

aerlingus.com displays the lowest available fare for your selected travel dates at the time of booking.

Out of interest, to which Travel Agency Systems do you subscribe?

So how can we pay you? Do you take credit cards, EC cards, PayPal, or cash?

Have you no web site?

collin I cannot say nothing more.

I know what i can do and what prices I can give.
We have a website www.futuretel.org
But like I said we deal in Telecom and we are new in Travel business

People can come to my office to pay or they can pay by bank transfer.

Thanks
Amir

I personally wouldn't choose to book through a business that normally specialises in unlocking mobile phones, but it's not correct to say that the cheapest fares are always found online. Travel agents are frequently still able to find lower prices, particularly for long-haul flights.

I hate online bookings and always use a travel agent. I always get great deals thru my agent plus amazing service but the best thing it saves all the stress. I am sure to look you up one day and see what you can offer

My comments are specific to the examples provided in this thread. As I said, proper travel agents have access to reservation systems such as Gallileo, which provide them with access to all scheduled flights in the world, and provides them with the ability to negotiate prices, depending on type of contract they have. Access to these systems is expensive, and requires training, and I expect also you need to be a bonded travel agent (i.e. to ensure your customers can get home if you go bust etc.).

Companies such as Aer Lingus provide full access to their flight schedules online direct to customer. They commit to making the lowest fares available, and so a travel agency cannot provide a lower fare to a customer, without taking it out of their commission. In the case of airlines such as Ryanair, they don't sell at all through third parties.

Online reservation systems in the end go through the systems such as Gallileo. What sites such as Opodo do is trawl through those systems to find the best prices to offer. To do this, they need to pay to access these systems, and they use sophisticated software to do the work.

So I do not see how a dodgy sounding "travel agent", based on a dodgy looking "telecoms company" can provide the quoted prices without losing money. Also it pisses me off big tiime when these sorts of "ventures" turn up on Toytown, and then when you start asking the guys valid questions, they can't come up with simple answers or evidence that what they are doing is kosher.

So when we go to your "web site" we get to:

http://217.69.171.6/res_future/flight_res_01.idc

This is a holding page with a form to login, and a welcome message. So what now? Did you not have enough time this morning to put a bit more information on the holding page you just created?

Looking forward to seeing your special offers on the web site.

Still no information on which travel reservation system you use? Could it be that you have your own special route to these great fares that nobody else can access.

That's your choice, but again you won't get a better price on Aer Lingus or budget airline prices from a travel agency.

I too use travel agents, especially for booking holidays. However, the last time I went to a travel to book a flight (many years ago), I had to direct toe agent as to how to find the routings and fares in their system. In the end I gave up, went home and booked it online.

Some people just think they are too smart and like to piss others.

You think about galilieo. My friend there are 3 systems widely used. Amadeus, Galileo and Saber.
I am a professional in amadeus. And dont you dare try to point me out as a SCAM with a stupid website.

Stop pinpointing others. I just hate people like you. they dont have the ability to do something and if others try they dont let you do it.
Moving your lips is the easiest thing to do in the world. use your brain somwhere else to prove someone wrong.

Read my posts mate - I said systems "like Galileo", I did not say it is the only one.

By the way, so far in this thread, you are the only person who has used the term "SCAM" - twice and in big letters. I have not suggested that. I have asked you to provide some evidence that the travel business that you advertised on the public Toytown forum is a valid venture, and that you can actually get people special prices on air fares.

So far you have failed to do this, and continue to duck and dive, and avoid providing any basic evidence.

As for the "stupid website" - you said it mate.

And by the way, I am all for people being entrepreneurial - been there myself. However, what I don't like are businesses that are not straight and honest with their prospective customers, and who make promises they cannot live up to. So far, the evidence from this thread is that this may well be the case with your travel venture - it's up to you and your colleagues to prove otherwise.

I don't want to shit in your porridge but I'd be careful with any Ryanair dealing online:


Gaurdian

Edit: wrong carrier, sorry

As I said, Ryanair don't allow third parties to sell their tickets.

You are no one whom i should provide any evidence.

Those interested in buying will receive all support from us.

thanks
Amir

Mind is warped today colin. I meant Ryanair.

Hi Pak, what sort of deal can you do MUC to BHX, any date/time?

It's not me to whom you need provide evidence, as I wouldn't buy from your travel business anyway. It is to anybody who reads this thread on Toytown and may consider buying flights form your business. You have chosen to use this vehicle as a sales/marketing platform. Therefore if you want to convince your prospective customers that they can trust you, I suggest that you stop being so defensive, and come up with some convincing evidence that anyone here can trust your business. If you decide not to, then that's your choice.

As I mentioned earlier, this is a public forum, and people who choose to use it to sell products or services should be prepared to answer questions from people who partake on the forum, and who may choose to buy.

I certainly would not use you coz I cannot access the travel web site? Is there a generic :kundennummer: and Password?

Ok Guys, I am preparing prices for all of you!!
I will PM each one with their prices. Please relax I will give the best prices in a short while.

Thanks
Amir

be careful giving this dood your credit card info to pay for flights; he doesn't have his own and he needs to hire a car!

we dont take credit cards

thnks
amir

Hi Amir,

How much for a flight a week today 21st of August to Aberdeen Scotland from frankfurt and returning on the Sunday 24th of August. I need to fly in the evening on both flights. Thank you.

Wow... Not good form I think to post or even offer the web address if the site isn't ready. First impressions and all, you know? I completely understand where Colin is coming from and if I didn't know you I sure wouldn't book through you no matter what price you offered. I think its a valid point to request this information from you since you are asking people to trust your services. Taking a defensive stance only further unsettles people and I think you made a big mistake today.

how would we pay for the flights? direct debit?

I also am a little worried about you. I don't think it is good to register a GmbH company but have no telephone listing. Not because I want your number, you gave it. But because I want to see if you are real. Sorry, but if you want me to spend my money, then I want to know you are a real business.

Maybe someone who lives in Wedding can come to your office and check this for us? What times is your office open?

I am interested to use your service, but I want to know first that this is a real business.

Sooo, how do we pay then??

Hi Bro

I can understand, Please come to our office from 9am to 7pm

I will be waiting for any one from TT.

Thanks
Amir

Most of our clients from Frankfurt pay us through bank transfer.

Errr? That is a REALLY professional way to address potential customers. I think that just about somes the whole thread up. So I assume if "Bro" would like to go ahead and buy a ticket then he will have to transfer the money to your bank account "up front", bearing in mind you don't even have a proper website so we have no guarantee that you can even provide a ticket. That is asking a lot on trust don't you think?

Here is a car that you would probably find suitable if you are still looking:

I think I`d rather buy tickets off Del boy there!

Wonder if that was ever shown on German TV, the thought of it dubbed into German made me smile

Edit : The whole street our friends in seems full of dodgy "travel agents" see whos next door :

Star-flights Reisebüro GmbH‎
Torfstr. 13A, 13353 Berlin, Germany - 030 4534001‎

http://www.starflights.de/

Does anyone know what the German for "plonker" is?

Next door is owned by an "M Pearce" apparently.

As a further indication as to why I think this business is probably dodgy, have a look at these prices:

Munich-Dublin-Munich going out on 5 September, and back on 15 September with Aer Lingus - direct flight.

aer lingus web site: 229.07 Euro
opode.de web site: 322.07 Euro
expedia.de web site: 288,11 Euro

So Opodo, one of the biggest and most respected flight aggregators are adding 93 Euros to the the Aer Lingus web site price. Expedia, adding on 59 and a bit (Interesting for me, as I always thought Opodo was quite good, but looks like they mark up big time)

Our friend claims he can get this flight for 160 Euro (and presumably make a profit), so he's undercutting the airline by 69 Euros. Do you believe it?

errr no in a word Colin!

Ähem, even using about 2 mins of my precious time I got a rate of 157 EUR with Aer Lingus from MUC to DUB return. So you are even more expensive than booking directly with the airline.

god guys give the guy a break - Travel agents are known to be given better deals by airlines, this way the travel agent will always recommend that airline. My friends works for BA in Sydney and this is his job to make sure that travel agents say BA BA all the time and in return BA give them bulk discounted tickets - the more you book flights with one airline the better the deal you get as a travel agent. So the guy doesnt have a website, he is starting up a business, he main target is most probably walk in business. God, my travel agent doesnt have a great website, you cant check flight deals etc its just got a page about what she specialises in. If you dont want to use his services well stop reading the thread and give the guy a break.

Ok Guys and Guls

I really give up. I have been really insulted today then ever in my life.
I just wanted to promote my business and I have already mentioned that we are new and trying to establish.

But I do really now understand why europeans are really considered rude and ignorant. I was expecting positive response from you guys.
I am really ashamed why I have posted this topic.

Troy Boy thanks so much for understanding me. YOu are the only one with a heart.

Thanks all
Bye.
And no more inquiries please.

Bulk buying of seats is a specific tactic - use to be known as selling "bucket seats". The airlines dump unsold seats on the travel marketplace in the last few days before flights are due to go. These are nearly always long haul - most short haul airlines are operating these days at around 90% seat occupancy, and their strategy is to put flight prices up as it gets closer to flight time, as they get the panic buyers, or people who have to rebook late - so they make more money than dumping the few remaining seats in bulk. Also short haul operators have a pricing model whereby the prices go up as the plane fills up. So you get your 1 euro deal when the flight is empty, and by the time it gets to 50% occupancy, the prices are up at 50 euro etc...

The travel agents do not get special deals on these. They get commission if they sell seats through the travel reservation system.

The problem with our friend, and why nobody should give him a break is that he is offering prices that are impossible without him losing lots of money, (we have shown this clearly by now). And not only does he have a crap web site, its not even a web site - its a holding page that looks like it was put up this morning once people started to ask questions. So the issue is that it really does not look like this guy is running a proper travel agency, despite advertising as such, and therefore I think that it is advisable that potential customers beware.

Again, I re-iterate if people want to go to spend time and money using a travel agent, then that's your choice - I just don't see the point for booking flights around Europe as the price will not be better, and booking online usually takes up to 5 minutes.