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Scottish man murders wife, stabs her 86 times

She had vowed to leave him after his affair

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Lorelei
Jul 19 2008, 11:18 am
Another story to make the blood run cold at the idea of marriage. It beggars belief that anyone could do this to someone, let alone their wife and the mother of their children.
Accountant guilty of wife murder

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A former accountant who stabbed his wife 86 times at the family home has been found guilty of murder. ...Lilburn had been enraged after his wife vowed to leave him over his affair with another woman. A chilling 999 call heard hysterical Ann scream "I'm dead" as her husband repeatedly plunged four kitchen knives into her body.
Bell the cat
Jul 19 2008, 11:39 am
Although it is terrible just remember he was previously diagnosed with bipolar disorder and then schizoaffective personality. That is not to excuse what he did, which it uterly terrible, but it might help explain how someone might do something like that to the woman he once loved.
Fallen Angel
Jul 19 2008, 11:48 am
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But the court heard from a score of witnesses who had seen Lilburn prior to the stabbing, including doctors and family, and no-one had reported concerns about his mental health.

Dunno. I don't know very much about bi-polar, but a very good friend of mine had it and you could definitely tell from his behavior that he wasn't "quite right". Then again, he refused to take the medication they'd given him to control it.

I knew a guy that murdered his wife. Nice as pie- always laughing and joking around with everyone. Then his wife became very ill and died. He remarried, it happened again. And they finally figured out that he'd offed both of them. It was a shock-- you never would've guess this guy was capable of doing that-- TWICE at that!!
Fallen Angel
Jul 19 2008, 11:53 am
The other thing I find bizarre is when they interview friends and neighbors of killers. They always say he was a nice guy, quiet guy, kept to himself, good manners, etc. I'd LOVE to see the neighbors tell reporters "Yeah, that guy was fuckin' weirdo. Doesn't surprise me a bit that he turned out to be a serial killer."
Lorelei
Jul 19 2008, 12:17 pm
QUOTE (Bell the cat @ Jul 19 2008, 12:39 pm) *
Although it is terrible just remember he was previously diagnosed with bipolar disorder and then schizoaffective personality. That is not to excuse what he did, which it uterly terrible, but it might help explain how someone might do something like that to the woman he once loved.

The jury took just 2 hours to convict him of murder, with the prosecutor arguing that he was lying about his mental illness being the reason for the attack:
Scotsman article
Prosecutor's cross-examination

Seems that his children also consider it murder:

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"Our mother Ann Lilburn was the kindest and most caring person you have ever known. Not only was she a loving mother, but also a caring daughter, sister and auntie.

"She led a simple and ordinary life which was tragically and brutally taken from her on July 29 2007.

"We will sorely miss this beautiful woman who took great pleasure in her numerous roles and responsibilities without issue to the personal costs involved.

"She was always there for us no matter what.

"She had finally gained the inner strength to embark on a new life before the man she had loved brutally murdered her.

"We can only hope that now justice has been served our whole family will be able to grieve properly and we would appreciate the time and privacy to do so and that we may be allowed to get on with the rest of our lives as we know our mother would have wanted."

He also thanked the prosecution service for helping them through an "extremely difficult time".
Mik Dickinson
Jul 20 2008, 8:43 am
The world is truelly a sick place
sarabyrd
Jul 20 2008, 8:57 am
@ Lorelei - No one would say of the victim "Yeah, that dame was fuckin' weirdo. Doesn't surprise me a bit that someone ended up killing her."
Sauce, gander, goose.

*I am not defending the guy, just pointing out the obvious*
Fastbucks
Jul 20 2008, 8:59 am
I remember back in Sydney years ago . A psychiatrist who worked with a group of psychiatrists in a common practice, went home one Friday night and shot his wife and two small kids. I always thought that the other shrinks would/should have picked up that something was going on. My question is, when do you know when you/someone is losing the plot?. Could this happen to anybody, anytime. Are there signals?.
ryhntyntyn
Jul 20 2008, 9:04 am
What does marriage have to do with it?
Lavender Rain
Jul 20 2008, 9:06 am
QUOTE (Lorelei @ Jul 19 2008, 12:18 pm) *
Another story to make the blood run cold at the idea of marriage.

This is not "marital hell" this is marital insanity. Yes, this story is horrific how someone could treat his wife so callously, someone he once loved.

But really this has little to do with marriage, but more to do with the severe dysfunction in their relationship and the insanity of this man as even an insane boyfriend has the potential to do this. Or a complete stranger as there have been women victimized like this by people who they didn't even know.

There are way too many of these unfortunate stories in the media today.
featherlight
Jul 20 2008, 9:14 am
Beware the beast in man...
Bell the cat
Jul 21 2008, 6:55 am
QUOTE (Fallen Angel @ Jul 19 2008, 11:53 am) *
The other thing I find bizarre is when they interview friends and neighbors of killers. They always say he was a nice guy, quiet guy, kept to himself, good manners, etc. I'd LOVE to see the neighbors tell reporters "Yeah, that guy was fuckin' weirdo. Doesn't surprise me a bit that he turned out to be a serial killer."

actually, psychological studies of murderers show that a particular personality predominates in some but not all and that is the quiet, submissive, slow to anger individuals. The kind of men who would come over as gentle and would not hurt a fly. It is very strange because they stand our markedly from the usual prison types. The theory goes that they suppress anger over very long periods of time until it builds up and up and up until they finally snap.

By the way, I did not post about his psychological problems to in any way excuse the murderer in the OP. He has clearly been found guilty very quickly and it has been noted that he was not deranged at the time. But the previous diagnoses do seem to point at a very disturbed mind.
Lorelei
Jul 21 2008, 9:51 am
QUOTE (Fastbucks @ Jul 20 2008, 9:59 am) *
My question is, when do you know when you/someone is losing the plot?. Could this happen to anybody, anytime. Are there signals?

I suppose everyone is technically capable of it. But most people's consciences get in the way. This guy had deliberately tracked down a women he used to know in order to start an affair with her. Is that because he was insane or because he didn't have a conscience? Not that unfaithfulness necessarily means murder is more likely, but the way in which this guy went about having an affair does seem to point to a lack of conscience towards his wife and children.
TexMunich
Jul 21 2008, 10:02 am
QUOTE (Lorelei @ Jul 19 2008, 12:18 pm) *
Another story to make the blood run cold at the idea of marriage.

The idea of Marriage? Don't forget the number of murders committed by just boyfriends and girlfriends that "just" live together.

Anybody know the percentage of people killed by just their lovers Vs. spouses? That should tell you if marriage is "colder" than just a relationship.
bluedave
Jul 21 2008, 10:04 am
It seems he may have been a little annoyed with her.
Lorelei
Jul 21 2008, 10:27 am
QUOTE (TexMunich @ Jul 21 2008, 11:02 am) *
The idea of Marriage? Don't forget the number of murders committed by just boyfriends and girlfriends that "just" live together.

Absolutely. Though this woman was apparently a devout Catholic who took her marriage vows seriously and supported her husband, even through his years of mental illness. So presumably she would not have considered living together as an option. But maybe situations like these help to explain why a lot of people prefer to keep their options open rather than pledging to stick around "for better or for worse".
SpiderPig
Jul 22 2008, 8:00 am
QUOTE (bluedave @ Jul 21 2008, 11:04 am) *
It seems he may have been a little annoyed with her.

Or she should have done as he said... unsure.gif
don_riina
Jul 22 2008, 11:24 am
Fairplay, but the reponse to your missus not doing as she's told is a good clip round the earhole, not blunting up a decent set of kitchen knives.
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