The establishment paedophile

The Quakers in the UK started a programme, originally developed by Quakers in Canada, for the "befriending" of paedophiles a few years back. There was research showing that the biggest predisposition to reoffending was when the released offender was isolated and reviled by society. those withloyal family or friends after release showed very low reoffending patterns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2220920.stm

So, in cooperation with the probabtion service individual Quakers offer to become 'friends' with released offenders meeting them at least once a week to discuss how things re going and to be on call should there be emergencies. So far it appears to have been very successful

As he said, chances are at least if you're hiring a male babysitter, you're getting a porn user. The chances are pretty high with women too.

I'd have no preference whatsoever but would be suspicious about the person who claimed not to be a porn user as chances are they'd be a liar.
Porn use wouldn't affect whether I chose a babysitter or not but lying certainly would.

so what? If he had pictures of dogs too would you distrust every dog owner?


I would assume that a man who claimed he had never in his life used porn was lying through his teeth so yes, i would never want such a person near my niece or nephew (I have no kids of my own)

oops ER got there first

my father abused me, from toddler age to teenage years when I physically fought back and then the abuse entered a more violent stage until I left home at 19, also at 19, I told my mother about him and she stayed with him for one more year until he died.
am only just confronting this now and trying to build a relationship with my mother.

in my case my abuser was a perverted bully. not only did he sexually abuse his own kids, but he bullied his family with his violence and controlling ways. I hate him and wish I had gone to the police about him. if he were alive now I would go the police definitely. that would have been the only way to stop him. in his mind he wasn't doing anything wrong.

So if I told you I wasn't a porn user, you'd assume I was lying? I can't see why there is this general assumption that everyone uses porn. But if you think using porn is OK, why would you think that a porn user would be lying to you if they said no? And if he thinks it's OK, why would he lie in the first place?

Have to admit that sounds like a very awesome and Christian idea , but I practically guarentee you that it will have negative consequences in respect of Quakers being exposed in the future as being , at the very least - involved in paedophile rings.

After reading your link I have great respect for people who participate in this study. Maybe the catholic church in Australia should sell some of their real estate and donate to research like this.
I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread, but it broke my heart yesterday to watch this video http://media.smh.com.au/?rid=39675&cat...Breaking%20News of Anthony Foster talking about his daughter Emma who has been repeatedly raped by a priest in her primary school when she was only five years old. She never got over it and committed suicide at the age of 26 early this year.

pae·do·phile /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/[pee-duh-fahyl]
–noun Psychiatry. an adult who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children.
Paedophilia is not a crime

I'm going to be hated for saying this, but the author has a point (at least up 'til the end of the second paragraph, and then again at the end. The middle can pretty much be ignored): if paedophilia is the sexual attraction to preadolescents, then the acting on those attractions is something else. When the paedophile acts on this attraction and rapes someone, that's when it becomes criminal. (This isn't actually what he's saying. He's really quite suspiciously silent on the point of raping children, but this is what I choose to take away from the article)


I've looked for the proper term for the sexual abuse of children, but although there's a word (paederast) for men who have sex with boys, there's no catchall word for adults who have sex with children.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to raise (and not really succeeding) is that I think many paedophiles out there are deeply disturbed by their attraction to children and go a very long way out of their way to surpress it.

The other point I want to make is that not all child-rapists are paedophiles. They fall into three categories: paedophilic, situational/opportunistic and sadistic. The step-father who's abusing his stepdaughter isn't necessarily doing it out of a lust for children.

And one last link on the subject

I've never met you so couldn't make that judgement. Judging by your posts alone and the values you appear to have, I'd probably believe you though, I'd probably believe you if you said didn't masturbate either. That's just how you come across on the forum but you also come across as a lot more conservative than most people.

I think masturbation is ok too and that most people do masturbate but a lot of people won't admit to that either because just like pornography, society tells us that it's sick and perverted. At least that's how it used to be and some of those victorian beliefs die hard.

I wouldn't let any man who had ever masturbated go near my children. That's just total wrong sickness

My sympathies Petrolhead, I sincerely hope you can try to build a life for yourself that isn't plagued by your past.

TBH it is entirely compatible with the Quaker approach to matters like this and would come as no surprise to most people who know about the Quakers.

I love Quakers - they make awesome cereal

If having a problem with people deriving pleasure from the degradation, humiliation and worse of others is conservative, then I admit to that. I don't care what society says. I make my own values.

what a disturbing article!

come on people, these guys should have their nuts cut off. problem solved! then address the issue of counseling, etc...

That was my first thought as well when I read this article, and I stopped reading after the first page. I really wonder what causes such behaviour. I find it hard to believe that men can be so evil.

ok maybe just neutralize them with a lazer beam?

serious, why give people like this a second chance? back in the good old days, these kinds of psychos would be disemboweled with a windlass, then drawn and quartered, and then burned at the stake (unless of course they were clergy in which case they would be reassigned to a remote orphanage). but now we're too civilized for such atrocity

Part of the problem is many child molesters are never caught. There are many children who have been subjected to this horrible crime and have suffered in silence and for others who have told justice never prevailed.

There was a recent school of thought prevalent in certain western countries that espoused talking to these 'people' and trying to counsel them. And for a while these arguments made sense, (Re: BelltheCat's theory about making paedophiles more inclusive in society rather than excluding them), but with these grade A sickos, I would advocate torturing them in the same ways (and worse) that they inflicted on their victims, degrading them, making them feel worthless, then cutting their nuts off. Then putting them in prison for the rest of their worthless lives.

I could make the point again that not all child molesters are male and point to a reliable news source but probably it would be deleted as my post earlier was with the explanation "added nothing to the thread"...
Also this link is interesting - it's a vid on research into psychopaths and suggests that they are born not raised...

I agree with you Parnell. I didn't mean to exclude woman in my previous comment. I just wish science could one day identify the source of those people's evil behaviour.

I don't think anyone here would be so naive to think women don't molest children or have the capability to do so. In fact, in some scary households the woman is just as guilty for being a part of this devious behavior as the man.

However, the problem of pedophilia, just like rape, is a predominantly male societal phenomenon.

Take a look at the following vid :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-823054058647438214

It suggests that psyhos and anti-social folks are born not raised - now if that is nature , not nurture and furthermore if it the stats quoted in the documentary suggest that 1 in 100 people are psychopaths then what is an effective and appropriate response from society?

See what I mean about justice not prevailing? What's up with this shite? This pedophile is sentenced to 43 years and after one year of his sentence he's still roaming around free as a bird.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/23/se...cher/index.html

There's a follow-up interview in today's Times newspaper. You may need a strong stomach or some tissues to read it as it is pretty heavy going.

its a bit more complicated than that. If we are talking about physical or emotional abuse or neglect it is more often than not the mother who is most likely to be responsible (though in many cases the mother is taking out on the child what her partner is taking out on her). For sexual abuse it is mostly men who instigate though some women do as well and many of the men who abuse are aided and abetted by women who also participate. Making this into an issue of the terrible things MEN do to xy and z maybe it would be better to see this as an issue of the terrible things some of us adults, irrespective of gender, do to children.