Shouting abuse at fat people is socially useful

Spectator: Ron Liddle on David Camerons speech

I wonder what David Cameron makes of this then Strike over 'fat' fireman

I wonder what happens in the school playground these days, do they shout 'stick' instead of 'tank' to taunt the one thin kid?

Even though it was published in the Tory jazz mag that is The Spectator, Ron Liddle has a point. Grossly obese people who breed and then force their own dietary habits on to their offspring should be beaten severely and forced to eat nothing but porridge and boiled spinach for an entire year.

Surely you mean gruel and boiled spinach. Porridge is nice.

enjoyed the article. which brings me to this bit in the article about single parents. this seems to be a growing problem in germany. more so in places like berlin and the east i think. what sort of consequences will this have on german society?

"you cease to stigmatise young unmarried mothers, for example — as politicians have repeatedly insisted we must — then one consequence will be more young, unmarried mothers. If you think that’s a good thing for society, then fine, destigmatise to your heart’s content. But almost everybody does think that a huge increase in unmarried young mothers was — is — bad for society, economically and socially."

I found this article both interesting and amusing.

Although this article was written about Great Britain, there is a paradox of American culture promoting a society of excess and gluttony, but then turn around and claim obese people are harming society economically by driving up the cost of health care.

Unfortunately, obesity discrimination is the new black.

A concerted effort to abuse ill people should eventually save the health service millions.

A few of them should croak earlier due to stress at least. Good for my health insurance premiums nevertheless.

Is it fuck. I forced myself to lose nearly 4 stone after two years of driving work and piling on weight, purely through will power and not eating shit quality food simply because it was less hassle to cook. I'm not saying that when you see some man mountain waddling down the street you should throw rocks at him, but if you can't laugh at a fatty, who can you laugh at?

The more interesting, and it must be said far more shocking, article is the one shown as a link on the same page: The Establishment Paedophile
Not a comfortable read by any means, and more of a few here will find it hard to finish for many reasons, but well worth the effort.

Now i hate all them skinny runts male or female.No strength and always bitching.Give me a cuddly woman to get hold of and not a bag of bones in skin

I am no David Cameron fan but I think the article makes a fair point.

People choose to live their lives in certain ways and do not take responsibility for their actions. Fair enough, but when it all goes wrong it's the governements fault.

I don't advocate going round shouting at fat people, but neither do I have much sympathy when the morbidly obese develop health problems that result from their own actions. Worse still is when they impose their lifstyle on their children. They are slowly killing them. I do not for a minute believe it's all down to poverty. It takes a lot of money to overfeed on that scale.

The point is whether it's drink, drugs, food, promiscuity etc...scoiety needs to take responsibility for it's own actions.

This article is funny, judging from the recent photo of Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times, complete with multiple chins and a belly the size of the Millennium Dome.

Do you not mean individuals rather than "society"?

JE, you know better than people taking responsibility

The article is just an excuse to bring out the worst in people. Normally one is brought up not to stare or make fun of people, regardless of the handicap.

I know the OP is very tonge-in-cheek about this post, and I thought the article had a good sense of humor about it. And while I would never encourage my stepdaughter or any other family member to eat until they pop, I would never heckle fat people for being obese and is suffering from obesity related illnesses, just as I would never heckle a long time smoker who is dying of cancer.

That said, a couple of months ago my 5yr old stepdaughter told me, "Ich hasse dicke Frauen." To which I almost replied, "What the fuck?" But then I asked her why. She said, "Weil mag ich nicht;" and as I go about cajoling an explanation from her, she finaly said it was because they were not nice and pretty.

This isn't the first time she has said discriminating comments about people. I get the whole "I don't like boys" thing because sometimes I feel the same way, but what about the whole "I don't like fat people" or "I don't like him because he is Schwartz" thing . . . Where is she getting this shize? Is this just a bigot phase or what? Is she just mimicking the behavoir of some imbecile she happens to think is cool or is a role model for her?

Not sure if hating things/people that aren't pretty is considered "normal" for a five year old, but I find this rude behavior just as obnoxious as Ron Liddle did those fat children.

The OP sure does practice what he preaches. I know several TT women whom he has greeted with such lovely phrases as "Hi, Fat-Ass", and then he wonders why they don´t want to chat with him and be all chummy.

Damara makes some good points.

I find it interesting that some smokers feel justified in pointing the finger at heavy people for having unhealthy lifestyles. Stones and glass houses, people.

Smokers are generally thin and smell bad. Fat people are fat AND smell bad. Now. Don't even get me started on fat smokers

divide and let them focus their aggro elsewhere and not meddle where the money is conquer
not exactly a new concept

whatever happened to live and let live?
it's not [insert target of the day] that threatens your health, your paycheck, your need for pretty things.
want to be surrounded by airbrushed playboy bunnies? move to the mansion or stay home and click.

This attitude is the problem with society in general. "Its not the fatties lack of self control that is the problem, its society for promoting it." Your choices are your responsibility, bottom line.

WTF??? So it's cool to hate on men cos you sometimes feel the same way but not black people or fatties? What a sexist old fart you must be , way to bring up ur kid...

Ummm, it was a joke, dude, and meant to be read kiddingly . . . as in, "I agree, Stepkid, boys do have kooties." Yeah, I'm bringin' up a real bitch when I say things like that. She might as well start growing the mullet tail, and listen to Sarah McLachlan and the Lilith Fair artists now so she can be good 'n sexist by the time she's an old fart.

What a sexist old fart I must be? Have we met? I fart just as much as the next girl, but I'm neither sexist nor old.

Urrrmmm... She is 5. She says things that are a bit, well, strange sometimes... She will get over it. Fat women are generally not as attractive and a 5 year old will at least come out and tell the truth because they have not learnt the art of subtlety yet. Strange that.

Maybe she has simply picked up (from other people, from TV, etc.) that it's a good thing to be nice and pretty. That can't be a very hard thing to learn, as we all know well enough that that is a very pervasive message now. It can't be a far step to then see someone whom you don't think is nice and pretty or whom you've heard someone else describe as not nice/pretty and then say that you therefore don't like them.

I see the mods have been through here with a quick clean sweep.

Anyway, I'm sure it's just a growing up thing that needs parental guidance just like learning table manners, etc . . . I'm not really worried about her becoming some nasty bigot in her adult years.

My point is that audible public comments made by children, or people in general, to point out another human being's flaws are rather obnoxious. It makes me wonder why empathy is lacking in some people . . . And I really want my stepdaughter to understand and have empathy.

I also think it is a ridiculous over-simplification to maintain that slim=attractive and heavy=unattractive. I guess I must be weird, but I know a lot of attractive, "cuddly" people.

damara. Again. She is 5. She will learn it eventually but right now she has the subtlety of a Thermo-nuclear device. I think you may be reading a little too much into this.

I know . . . as I said, it's probably a growing up thing that just needs parental guidance like learning table manners, etc . . . We're on the same page

Kids at the age of 5 are observing and soaking up the behavior of those around them, don´t under-estimate it.

Awww thankyou, you did mean me didn't you?

" Shouting abuse at fat people is socially useful" - Damn straight! Shame them fat fuckers into losing weight. Or at least just make them feel bad for existing.

What some people don´t seem to realize is that some heavy people eat when they feel bad, so if they get even more grief than they already do, they´ll comfort themselves with even more chocolate. Vicious cycle.

Exactly