Visiting other EU countries on a visa for Germany

Hallo TT,

I have read most of the topics here, Could not find my case!! Would really appreciate it if someone could advise me!

I'm from Bahrain and I have an Internship in Germany for 3 months; I received my VISA and work permit and now I'm in Berlin working with Daimler.
I have some days off and want to use them to travel to some other schnengen countries like paris,spain and italy.

The VISA sticker indicates:

Valid For: DEUTSCHLAND
Type: D
Number of entries: 01
Duration of Stay: 90
Remarks: FACHPRAKTIKUM
§ 2 NR. 3 BESCHV

I would like to apply for a Residency Permit or so-called freedom of movement for the period of my duration of stay. Am I eligible? If so, what would I need?

I have the following documents:

1) Passport
2) Passport sized photos
3) Health insurance coverage up to 1,000,000 Euros with AXA Insurance
4) Proof of means of Support (don't have it yet, But can't obtain it from my employer)
5) Residene registeration, I got it from the Public Office " Anmeldebestätigung)
6) Letter from employer confirming my employment

But I don't have a certificate of Health for Residence Permit ( Gesundheitszeugnis für Aufenthaltserlaubnis), Do I need this?

I also heard that the Aliens department is on strike, Not sure of it though!

Thank you in advance for your help,

Regards,

Not sure if civil servants in Germany are allowed to strike. that's why they have such cushy jobs.

You certainly have all the necessary paperwork for the application for an Aufenthaltsgerlaubnis, which would permit you to travel throughout Schengen, but I suspect you have only a national Visa as permitted by the "Beschäftigungsverordnung" which explicitly excludes exit and re-entry to Germany during your stay here, and only permits travel through Schengen countries (max. 5 days) as part of your arrival or departure trip . You really needed a Schengen-Visa which you would normally apply for and receive before you arrive here. Best thing is to check with the Auslanderbehörde.

Your visa is very similar to the one that i had earlier or as a matter of fact all the students had when they entered into Germany. As students, we had to deposit a particular amount in the bank and take those details to get our visa extended. The initial visa was only for 90 days and we weren't allowed to go other schengen states and nor were we allowed to work during those days. But for all us from India the visa were multiple entry, but have seen the visas from certain nationalities where it was clearly mentioned that is was only single entry.

But we could move freely and start working once we showed the bank statement and received an "Aufenhaltstitel". If ur visa is only for 3 months and its not the Tourist visa then theres pretty little that can be done. In Aachen whenever we had such issues then we went straight to the International office and they would set it right.

Your best bet would be to take someone with u who can speak German to the Alien's department and see how it goes from there...

Thanks,

I was going to apply for Schengen visa, and I specificly told the Lady whom was working in the German embassy in Bahrain that I wanted a multiple entry visa; She replied saying, "You won't need that, because you'll get your Resident permit which will allow you to travel freely within Schengen states."

so I have this tricky question!! My employer won't indicate my employment durtion more than what I have in my VISA, Hence my visa duration is only for 90 days, My contract will be approximetly 90 days. I can extend my VISA right before the end of my duration providing another offer from my employer but again I'll only get a VISA for 90days.

So how can I prove that Im staying for more than 90 days to be eligble for the resident permit? Because I must get a resident permit if Im staying for more than 90 days!!!

Hope you understood, it's very confusing for me!!

Hi everyone,

I am working as a trainee in Munich.. When I tried to get a Schengen Visa(i'm a non-EU citizen),they gave me a visa for Deutschland because of staying in Germany more than three months. And they said that I have to get a residence permit when I arrived Munich.. So after my arrival in Munich,I went to KVR, but they said my documents are sufficient to live in Germany(I also have a work permit called ZAV document from DAAD) and they didn't give me a residence permit..

The problem is I want to travel to the other EU-countries..And I'm not sure if I need any other document or visa to travel.. If someone knows anything about my situation, please tell me what to do.. I need to figure it out ASAP..

My Visa indicates:

Valid For: DEUTSCHLAND
FROM:09.06.08
TO:19.09.08
Type: D
Number of entries: MULT
Duration of Stay:--
Remarks: Aufenth.dauer entspricht gültigkeit fachpraktikum im sinne § 2 NR. 3 BESCHV I.V.M § 35 NR. 2 aufenthv (BA)

Thank you in advance..

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I thought a visa for Deutschland WAS a Schengen visa necessarily. That is, your visa for Deutschland is a working visa but should give you travel rights in the Schengen countries including:

France, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Malta, Belgium, Spain, Luxemboug, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany

I would check that though - as an EU citizen I do not need a visa at all

Not really. You have a permission to stay in Germany. In reality you may go to any Schengen country because most probably nobody will control you, but technically you are not allowed to. Your VISA probably says that it is for one entrance only.

Normally when you apply from your home country, they issue a visa for Germany. Once you are here, you get the residence permit which enables you to travel around the Schengen states and Swiss. I am not sure why the KVR did not issue a residence permit.
EDIT - You can check with the KVR if your current visa permits you to visit other Schengen states.

Does ur visa state that its valid only for Single entry?

My visa indicates:

Valid For: DEUTSCHLAND
FROM:09.06.08
TO:19.09.08
Type: D
Number of entries: MULT
Duration of Stay:--
Remarks: Aufenth.dauer entspricht gültigkeit fachpraktikum im sinne § 2 NR. 3 BESCHV I.V.M § 35 NR. 2 aufenthv (BA)

I didn't understand why they didn't give a residence permit either.But the lady in KVR said the documents are sufficient..

No, it's for multiple entries..

no. this only applies to tourist visas, not necessarily for work/residence visas. Whether you need a tourist visa for other EU countries will depend on your citizenship.

"Aufenthaltstitel" for Germany permits you to travel around schengen states.

Yeah,but they didnt give me "Aufenthaltstitel".

Do you need visa in the other Schengen countries?

there are four different "Aufenthaltstiteln" as from 2005.

Aufenthaltserlaubnis
Niederlassungserlaubnis
Sichtvermerk (visum)
Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EG

they all have different rules regarding Schengen, i believe.

And when you were in the AB/KVR why you did not ask the person if you could travel to other EU countries? Usually they know better than us.

Yes, I need.

@OG
All the four Aufenthalt titles permits you to travel around schengen states.

@scrpn
Check again with the KVR. If you are not permitted, ask them for a change so that you can travel around.

So, I should better find someone,who speaks German, to call KVR..


OK, I will try again..

Thank you all for helping me..

You don't get both. You get either one or the other. If you get an Aufenthaltserlaubnis (limited permit) or Niederlassungserlaubnis (unlimited permit) you don't need a visa. An Aufenthaltserlaubnis is ONLY issued if you are staying longer than 6 months. Less than that and they issue with a visa.

I just noticed that your visa is a type D which is a Schengen visa so you have no worries.

"das Visum D ist ein nationales Visum für einen längerfristigen Aufenthalt (länger als drei Monate), das von einem Schengen-Staat nach Maßgabe seines nationalen Rechts erteilt wird."

I am not sure if a Type D visa gives permission to travel to other schengen countries. Found this english webpage from Uni-Saarland website:
http://www.uni-saarland.de/en/internationa...orheim/visum/2/

It specifically mentions about students coming under the DAAD scheme.

A friend of mine just talked to KVR and Netherlands Consulate(I want to go to Amsterdam this weekend).. And the only chance is to go back to my hometown and try to get a Schengen Visa,then come back.. It's so stupid!
Also,I asked again for residence permit and there's no chance..

So, I'm wondering can I go there without getting any extra Visa? Are there strict controls especially if I go by train? What is my chance to go there and come back with no problems?

I did get asked for my passport recently coming back from the Netherlands via the train. I have no idea what they were checking for though.

Oh, I think coming back will not be a problem because I can prove my work in Munich.. But I don't know it'll be an enough answer for them

Did you get asked for your passport while entering to Netherlands? I think,after entering the country,there won't be any problems..

Hi,

With your visa you are not allowed to go other EU countries. Its only valid in Germany. Ask KVR to issue a special permit for you.

Best of luck

TOM

seems you can't make up your mind but it seems you right with your second post.

I tried everywhere but unfortunately,KVR can't give me a visa and also they can't give me a Residence Permit either.. It's so stupid! But so, I can't go to othe countries..

Anyway,thank you all for answering me..

Sounds like your stuck in Germany.. Give up and accept it...

I wouldnt take that chance. If caught, consider yourself lucky if u just landup with a heavy fine. If they deport u or do something of that magnitude then this might be the last time that u have received an EU visa.

p.s. I live in Aachen and 1.5kms from my room is the border. But the train from Netherlands to Germany is usually checked by the police for people bringing drugs into Germany. U might get lucky and not be checked but they do it often in this route.

Now you do the math!

ah, actually I told a porkie pie there, I was actually stopped on the train going from Aachen to Köln. I used to get taxis from Aachen to Maastricht and back instead of the train when I was working up there.

Yeah,I'm trying for that But, it's so hard to see that the opportunities are slipping away because of the stupid rules..


Yeah, you're right.. But it's hard to accept those facts.. Because I really want to travel Europe and I was thinking this is my chance.. But now,I can't do. And the worst part is I couldn't do that because of stupid laws not because of the money or time problems..

Hello,

I am a student from Venezuela who will be going in September to Germany as an exchange student to University of Karlsruhe. I have a similar query as the topic poster's regarding my Schengen visa, but even though it looks that the answer is "you cannot travel out of Germany before you get your Aufenthaltstitel" too, I guess I'll ask just to be sure. I hope you don't mind and thanks a lot for your help.

My visa says the following:

Valid for: DEUTSCHLAND +1 SCHENGENDURCHR.
From: 01-09-08
To: 30-11-08

Type of visa: D
Number of entries: MULT
Duration of stay: 90 days

Issued in: CARACAS
On: 17-07-08

Remarks: GÜLTIG ZUM STUDIUM BEI UNI KARLSRUHE
ERWERBSTÄTIGKEIT NICHT GESTATTET
AUFENTHALTSANZEIGE NACH EINREISE
PETER RICHTER

So, the thing is that I will start classes on September 22, but I planned to get there earlier so I could travel and maybe meet some friends that are currently living in Europe or will be travelling through Europe at that time. My expected arrival date is 3 or 4 September. In fact, I bought tickets for a Coldplay concert in Paris on September 10. But it appears that I will not be able to go to the concert, since I cannot leave Germany until I get the residence permit, which I guess will take a few days, correct?

Venezuelan citizens have 90 days of visa-free access to the Schengen zone; is there any way to "count" my trip to Paris as a "visa-free access as allowed by my nationality" instead of part of my +90 days Schengen visa for Germany? Just a crazy idea

Thanks a lot for your help!

Ok I have the same problem.

I'm doing an Internship in Berlin for 3 months

The VISA sticker indicates:

Valid For: DEUTSCHLAND
Type: D
from 25/06/2008 to 25/09/2008
Number of entries: 01
Duration of Stay: 90
Remarks: FACHPRAKTIKUM
§ 2 NR. 3 BESCHV

all I know that if your are staying in Germany more than 90 days, you MUST get a resident permit, it can't be rejected at all!

so in my case I arrived in Germany on the 29/06/2008, I can stay untill the the 25/09/2008 according to my VISA! however my work permit "ZAF" is from 1/07/2008 to 30/9/2008 which means I can work in Germany until the 30/9/2008, so this is more than 90 days, which makes me eligable to get a resident permit! however the problem is that my work contract is only from 1/07/2008 to 23/09/2008. which means I won't be working after the 23rd but I can still stay in Germany until end of September with the resident permit. I want to take my vacation days at the end and stay a bit longer until the 2nd of october.

so the question is, is the work contract going to effect the requirement of getting a resident permit or the work permit "ZAF" is good enough.

this is my case only.

For those who wish to receive a resident permit.

You need:

ZAF "work permit:
Work contract
health insurance
means of finance "usualy the work contract that has your salary"
proof of resident "the one you got from the public office"
biometric photo
50Euros "varies"
Application to be filled out

you must prove that your are staying more than 90 days, even if its 2 or 3 days, because you can't stay in Germany illegally.

Hi, I am here on a "German " work permit issued specifically to my company. Given it's still my probation period, I haven't been able to switch the work permit to AUFENTHALTERLAUBNIS. Will I be able to travel to other Schengen states such as France and Italy with just my work permit for Germany? It's a type D visa.

I would really appreciate a prompt answer as I'm planning for a trip and it costs 100 eur less to go outside of Germany.

Thanks so much in advance!

Mandy

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What's a "German" work permit? Is it like a "good" time?

Well it's a national visa issued specially to my company here in Germany. I'm here on a probation of 3 months so I haven't got to apply for a AUFENTHALTERLAUBNIS which I know allows me to travel. Thus, will I be able to visit other Schengen states for the weekend with a type D visa?

Is this the type of visa that has the requirement to press the Cap-Lock key, every time you type "Aufenthalterlaubnis", intentionally spelling it wrong, to make it easier for the authorities to trace you?

No ... you need a Schengen visa

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the answer.
Would it be possible to apply for a Schengen visa here in Munich given I'm already in Germany? It appears that they will give me a month off in December and the renewed contract will probably be for UK next January. It really complicates my case since I want to stay in Germany for the month of December and my work permit expires end of this month. Would I be able to apply for a type C visa to travel being in the Schengen state?

Thanks in advance!

Why don´t you get in touch with the French and/or Italian embassy in Berlin ... or their consulates general in Munich?