One of my colleagues has got according to his doctor ""blut entzündung". I hope I heard it right. He's in a pretty bad way. He has problems moving and is in pain all the time. Any ideas what he's got? To be honest, I'm pretty worried about him.
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:17 pm
Systemic infection (or septicemia) and yes it can be deadly.
JerseyBoy
Jun 30 2008, 7:19 pm
Isn't this as simple as blood poisoning?
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:21 pm
That is just the layman's term for it.
QUOTE
Septicemia is a serious, life-threatening infection that gets worse very quickly.
Bloody hell!!! The doctors weren't going to see him until next month until he insisted on seeing someone straight away and now he's got an appointment with a specialist tomorrow. Surely if it was so bad they would put him in hospital straight away. The poor guy was at work today!
JerseyBoy
Jun 30 2008, 7:28 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jun 30 2008, 8:21 pm)

That is just the layman's term for it.
Well, since I'm no biologist nor doctor, that's the term I'll use then.
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:30 pm
There is a problem in term usage (lost in multiple translations). One cause is viral or bacterial born and the other is, for lack of a better term, blood clumping. Neither are good and the cause is the key to treatment. He should actually be in the hospital right now if he isn't (unless his doctor is totally whacked in the usage of the words).
To cheer you up, look at this. Well, I laughed.
Keydeck
Jun 30 2008, 7:31 pm
Christ, just as well Toytown is here, otherwise people would be forced to rely on trained professionals!
humphs
Jun 30 2008, 7:36 pm
Blood poisoning and Blutenttzündung are two totally different things ...
Keydeck
Jun 30 2008, 7:38 pm
Different languages for a start!
marie-claire
Jun 30 2008, 7:38 pm
Are you sure he didn't say "Entzündung der Blutgefäße" which would be vasculitis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasculitis ?
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:39 pm
You mean like a scientist who is also medically trained and worked in hospitals and performed minor surgeries?
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:41 pm
QUOTE (humphs @ Jun 30 2008, 8:36 pm)

Blood poisoning and Blutenttzündung are two totally different things ...
Blood poisoning is a catch all laymen's phrase. Its like people with diabetes say "I have got sugar" and yes they do still say that today (in the US).
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 7:43 pm
QUOTE (marie-claire @ Jun 30 2008, 8:38 pm)

Are you sure he didn't say "Entzündung der Blutgefäße" which would be vasculitis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasculitis ?
That is what I am hoping the op's friend actually said or meant to say. That could wait till tomorrow.
I'm pretty sure it was "Blut entzündung". He's non-German too so it's possible it's something else. But he's been ill for about year now. He's really aged in that year.
Keydeck
Jun 30 2008, 7:51 pm
Go on so, Eurovol, wow us.
Thing is, I stand by previous comments I've made on this subject that anyone asking for medical advice or opinion on an internet discussion forum such as this is making a mistake. Unless they give some indication that they are coupling any information received with professional first hand information. The OP hasn't done so and in fact seemed shocked by the information provided. That kind of reliance on information thrown out on the web scares the beejesus out of me.
Owain Glyndwr
Jun 30 2008, 7:51 pm
QUOTE (humphs @ Jun 30 2008, 8:36 pm)

Blood poisoning and Blutenttzündung are two totally different things ...
wrong. they are both terms for sepsis.
humphs
Jun 30 2008, 7:56 pm
Not wrong . Blutvergiftung and Blutentzündung are not , and never will be the same .
JerseyBoy
Jun 30 2008, 7:57 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jun 30 2008, 8:39 pm)

You mean like a scientist who is also medically trained and worked in hospitals and performed minor surgeries?
Well, if you want to split hairs, yes.
I am a scientist, as well, but my area of expertise is not biology, so "blood poisoning" is fine and dandy for me.
BadBob
Jun 30 2008, 7:59 pm
QUOTE (les @ Jun 30 2008, 8:44 pm)

I'm pretty sure it was "Blut entzündung". He's non-German too so it's possible it's something else. But he's been ill for about year now. He's really aged in that year.
I can appreciate your concern but, your "colleague's" medical conditions should be a matter of privacy. On the other hand, this "Blut entzündung" could just be code words for HIV or AIDS. Most people with AIDS are taught to say at most that they have "a rare blood condition" to avoid being stigmatized. Just letting you know in case you might need to be tested.
eurovol
Jun 30 2008, 8:05 pm
QUOTE (humphs @ Jun 30 2008, 8:56 pm)

Not wrong . Blutvergiftung and Blutentzündung are not , and never will be the same .
You cannot translate Blutvergiftung to the laymen's term blood poisoning. Blutvergiftung is actually an infection of the lymphatic system which can guess what? Cause Blutenzündung! They are two sides of the same deadly coin.
QUOTE (JerseyBoy @ Jun 30 2008, 8:57 pm)

Well, if you want to split hairs, yes.
Your usage is fine, it is Keydeck that is lacking.
Owain Glyndwr
Jun 30 2008, 8:05 pm
QUOTE (humphs @ Jun 30 2008, 8:56 pm)

Not wrong . Blutvergiftung and Blutentzündung are not , and never will be the same .
wrong.
QUOTE
Sepsis
(Weitergeleitet von
Blutentzündung)
Die
Sepsis (
gr. für
Fäulnis), umgangssprachlich auch
Blutvergiftung, ist eine außer Kontrolle geratene
Infektion.
JerseyBoy
Jun 30 2008, 8:09 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jun 30 2008, 9:05 pm)

You cannot translate Blutvergiftung to the laymen's term blood poisoning. Blutvergiftung is actually an infection of the lymphatic system which can guess what? Cause Blutenzündung! They are two sides of the same deadly coin.
Ok, so
why should I, as a "layman" with respect to biology, care that there is a difference?
humphs
Jun 30 2008, 8:14 pm
Unter einer Blutentzündung, auch Haemolitis genannt, versteht man das Entzünden einiger roter Blutkörperchen, die zu einem Klumpen gerinnen, der sich schmerzhaft durch die Adern bewegt. Die Blutentzündung sollte keinenfalls mit der Blutvergiftung verwechselt werden.
Not wrong
leeza
Jun 30 2008, 8:23 pm
If it truly is sepsis (and I haven't a clue if that's what the German term means) the doctor wouldn't wait to see him. He'd be in the hospital already, or well on his way to dead.
I had sepsis a few years ago, and they threw me in the hospital (and on the operating table to remove the initial source of the infection) in 10 minutes flat. So, unless his doc got his degree online, I wouldn't think that he'd be at work today with sepsis.
HellesAngel
Jul 1 2008, 7:47 am
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Jun 30 2008, 8:51 pm)

Thing is, I stand by previous comments I've made on this subject that anyone asking for medical advice or opinion on an internet discussion forum such as this is making a mistake.
It has its purposes, but you're right that anyone who then bases their treatment on the advice from the intraweb deserves all the side effects they get. As half this thread is about the language and translation, and possibilities of what the disease may be considering likely errors in the same it's a worthy discussion but the outcome should still be taken with a large dose of paracetamol...
In general the internet has its uses for medical research and there are some very good sites publishing excellent research, which I used to research a friend's cancer a while back. She told me what she had, and it helped me cope to know that it would probably kill her, which it did, and I should set my expectations for her future low. The key differences there were I knew precisely what she was diagnosed with and used sites with more medical qualifications than TT. Amazing, but they do exist...
I just wanted to understand what disease my colleague has got. I looked it up and didn't find an answer hence my question here. Hopefully he'll get good treatment today and the problem will be fixed. Thanks for your help.
lilplatinum
Jul 2 2008, 12:23 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jun 30 2008, 8:41 pm)

Blood poisoning is a catch all laymen's phrase. Its like people with diabetes say "I have got sugar" and yes they do still say that today (in the US).
People say I have got sugar to refer to their diabetes or to glucose tablets? i'm diabetic and i've never heard that.
Fribble
Jul 2 2008, 12:35 pm
I've never heard anyone say "I've got sugar." Maybe it's common among people who live under rocks behind a Walmart in southern Appalachia who accidentally entered a time machine to 1950.
By the way, "Blutenzündung" is code for "none of your business."
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