Tax class change after getting married

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If i changed my Tax class from 1 to 3 (due to marriage) . How much extra cash would i get. I rougly take home net pay of 2950euros a month.

What is the difference between Tax Class 3 and Tax Class 4.

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BUT

what happens if the chick has no work permit.

Then surely no tax allowance on her behalf?

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Wouldn't she get one if they get married?

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Tax class 3 is in concept something like "one person, 2 single person tax free allowances"

Tax class 5 is the opposite "one person, 0 tax free allowances"

(I'm not sure if the figures are exactly 2/0 tax free allowances, but it is along these lines).

The partner earning more takes tax class 3 and is (much) better off. The other partner takes tax class 5 and is (a bit) worst off, but overall as a couple the combined net pay is higher.

Tax Class 4, is basically the same as class 1 for singles, but indicates you are married. Both partners taking tax class 4 will not be worst off due to marriage, but there is no gain. Useful if you earn similar amounts. Also if you live apart you have to have class 4/4, as 3/5 only applies to couples who "normally" live together.

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Can you change class status from a 4 to 3.

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You can only change tax class once a year (normally - there are as ever possibilities of exceptions, no I don't know what they are!).

I assume you can change between 4/4 & 3/5 every year if you wanted to.

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My understanding is that although you might pay less tax during the year on 3/5, you will get more back on 4/4 at the end of the year (assuming you get any back at all). I shall try and find the (Finanzamt) link that led me to believe this. Also, if you end up on social security e.g. by losing your job, your benefits will be based on your net salary, which is fine if you were on 3, but not so fine if you were on 5.

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I AM GETTING MARRIED ON THE 7th november and have been working full time for the last 7 monthswith a class 1 tax card.what is the procedure for changing to a class 3 or 4, i.e.when,how and will i recieve any tax back for this last 7 months and when. I am english, my wife is german and we have 2 children together.Any advice please.

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take your Lonsteuerkarte to the Einwohnermeldeamt, ask them to change the tax class as you are married. Take marriage certificate (and translation if you weren´t married in Germany). If you are an employee you should get any tax back in your next pay, but as far as I can tell you won´t get tax back on the last 7 months just because of the marriage because you are still tax class 1 until you are married.

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as far as I can tell you won´t get tax back on the last 7 months just because of the marriage because you are still tax class 1 until you are married.

No, once you get married (registry office, not church), your new tax class counts for the whole year. You don't get that money back (if any) automatically, though, you have to file a claim at the end of the year.

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You can have your tax class changed at your local community registry (ie ask your Bürgeramt/Einwohnermeldeamt for the forms). Do the application for the new tax classes immediately once you have your marriage certificate, before November 30th! You'll also need the Lohnsteuerkarten of both yourself and your wife, so get them from your employers too beforehand.

When you file your tax return, tax for the entire year will be calculated based on the tax class you have on Dec 31st (switch last possible November 30th). As for the when you get any money back, about 3-4 months after you file your tax return usually.

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as far as I can tell you won´t get tax back on the last 7 months just because of the marriage because you are still tax class 1 until you are married.

Taxes are for the whole fiscal year, he will be considered as married for the whole 2008. He will get a bunch of taxes back once he files the taxes.

In Germany you have to get married at the end of the year and get divorced at the beginning of the year. I made it wrong both and it was expensive.

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I just got married (in the UK) a couple of weeks ago. I'm shortly going to return to Germany (where I'm currently working), while my husband will stay in the UK (where he's working). Does anyone know whether being married to someone who doesn't live in Germany has any effect on my tax code or anything else? (NB: we're both Canadians, if it's relevant, and I'm planning to move to the UK next year sometime)

I did email someone in the personnel office at my work about this last week and she said, just send me a copy of the marriage certificate and I'll make sure it gets to where it needs to be. Is that likely to be sufficient or am I going to have to do any additional bureaucracy myself too?

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Zero effect. Your husband has to live in Germany as well for you to get a class III/IV tax class.

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I was married in 2006 and my wife and I changed from tax class 1 to class 3 and 5. My income was about 58% higher than my wife's so we understood this was a more effective way to balance our tax liabilities and using the calculators we estimated a small saving in tax payable. My employer adjusted all my monthly tax amounts for the full year based on class 3 which is a lower tax rate, so I received a credit from my employer and my wife received a smaller pay because she moved to a higher tax class. Unfortunately, her company changed owners in July 06 and the new employer only recalculated the PAYG amounts from July - Dec which meant for Jan - Jun she underpaid taxes for these 6 months.

My 2006 tax entry is still not submitted while I resolve some issues. What I have been told by the tax advisor is that I must pay the difference between the amount of tax payble assuming we chose tax class 4 (married couple with similar incomes) and the chosen option of class 3 and 5. The logic is that when a couple selects tax class 3 and 5 there is a benefit in monthly net income but this needs to be repaid at the end of the year in a lump sum.

I find this hard to accept because if as a couple we can pay less monthly payroll tax by choosing classes 3/5 I don't see why at the end of the year the tax I 'should' have paid is calculated using class 4 and I need to make up the difference in a lump payment. Sure, I benefit a little each month based on my choice of tax class but is it correct that the end of year calculation this benefit must be offset by a repayment?

Does anyone know if this approach is correct or has someone had a similar experience and can provide any advice?

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Dear All,

I have a question which is similar too. I got married in May and my wife just moved here last week. i am in the process of changing my tax class from one to three. Is there a way i can ask for tax returns for this year? also can i ask for the cost of moving my wife here to Germany.i really hope someone can help.

Bessel

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Dear All,

I have a question which is similar too. I got married in May and my wife just moved here last week. i am in the process of changing my tax class from one to three. Is there a way i can ask for tax returns for this year? also can i ask for the cost of moving my wife here to Germany.i really hope someone can help.

Bessel

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Just seen this and thought I would add my own question to this thread.

I am due to get married on the 29th of December. If I have understood this thread correctly, the tax year here runs with the calender year - and I can then claim any benefit for the entirity of 2009 (which sound a bit odd, yet great). Secondly am I going to run into any problems with the fact that I will get a "pretty" marriage certificate on the 29th, but the official one will take a while to process (this information comes from our celebrant - I don't fully understand the difference at the minute), so it will be well into 2010 before I have something the KVR will accept as a marriage certificate (plus time for a translation and apostille) - I am not sure how this will run with the timescale for submitting a tax claim.

Cheers

Rich and Jo

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Does anyone have a good link to seeing what tax class is the best for a couple getting married? A friend of mine and her bf, they both earn roughly the same, were talking about this and I became curious too.

EDIT: This seemed simple enough.

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I live in Munich and I recently married in Brazil.

My wife is living with me here in Munich since last week and she doesn't have any income.

How should I proceed to change my tax class from 1 to 3?

I know that I need to go to the Finazamt in Munich, but which documents should I bring with me?

Is there any form to fill?

Thanks,

Diego

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Hi everybody.

I would appreciate your opinion about the issue I am going to report below.

I searched among the topics but I did not find anything related to this.

I have got married in May 2011 and today I went to the tax office to change my steuerklas.

I was previously in klas 1. Now I have got the klas 4, and so my wife, even though she is earning less.

This is happening independently from the new configuration 3/5 I have applied for. Only from next year (2012) they will apply 3/5 to us. For the time being, for what concerns this year, 2011, we have to stay 4/4.

This would imply there is no tax return at all for me, since this tax class is exactly equivalent to 1, with the only difference that it states I am married. And I am afraid my wife is going to pay a little bit more...

For the sake of precision, my wife is a freelancer and there is a big difference in our incomes.

I am asking this question because whatever I hear/read about these tax/marriage topics is that you are going to receive a consistent amount of money once you claim your tax return for the year you have got married.

I would appreciate your opinion.

Thanks!

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So you wanted the tax class combination III/V as your tax classes, and they only gave you IV/IV. Well, they should have given you what you wanted, it's your right. However, that's not a tax return, the tax return is the sum of tax forms that you submit until 31. May for the preceding calendar year. But don't worry, you will get all taxes you overpaid this year back, after you have submitted your joint tax return with your wife. See the TT Elster wiki for step-by-step instructions to fill in the tax forms: http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/ELSTER

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today I went to the tax office to change my steuerklas.

That's the issue, you needed to do it by 30th November.

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