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Moving to Germany or to UK?

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Hello everyone,

 

I' ve got a job offer from a hospital in Lincolnshire, England and from a Hospital in Germany. I can't decide because both are so different.

Firstly, I like the job in both countries and the salary is also very good.

 

The differences are the following:

I don't believe that in England I will face a language problem, so Ι will get used to the new country/customs easily. On the other hand I'm at level B1 (I have finished it) in german and if I go there I have to take classes and give the examination B2. Moreover, I have searched in the net and I found that the transportation in Lincolnshire is not as good as in Germany (I don't have a driving license, so I only use the public transportation).

Another factor that I'm considering is the life. I'm 22 years old and I want to live in a city where I can do a lot of things and meet new people. Finally, I want to gain great experience in my domain. Which country has better healthcare system?

 

It's a difficult decision, I would really appreciate your thoughts.

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I don't believe that in England I will face a language problem, so Ι will get used to the new country/customs easily

 

a) it is always hard working in a foreign language, b ) you will come across a wide variety of accents, especially in the UK healthcare system which employs people from a wide range of countries.

 

 

the transportation in Lincolnshire is not as good as in Germany

The transport system in the UK is generally not as well-developed as in Germany, but unless you live in a remote area it is normal to commute to work in the UK. And there are parts of Germany where transport is not great. It depends where you want to work and where you want to live. As you are not tied down to any specific place to live, you can simply find somewhere to live that has convenient transport.

 

 

Another factor that I'm considering is the life. I'm 22 years old and I want to live in a city where I can do a lot of things and meet new people.

Then you will have to do specific research into the specific places in Lincolnshire and Germany where you would live. In the UK you may find it easier to gain new friends as there is more of a tradition of socialising with workmates or people you meet at clubs etc.

 

 

Finally, I want to gain great experience in my domain. Which country has better healthcare system?

Germany, obviously, has the better healthcare system, though I don't see how that translates into gaining greater experience.

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Anne, you really should at least attempt to explain how Germany's transport system is 'better developed' than the UK's, and why the healthcare system is 'obviously better'.

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Are you a doctor or nurse? There are not many professional development opportunities for nurses in Germany. Where is the job in Germany?

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Why should I put so much effort in when the OP can't even be bothered to tell us what towns she is talking about? :-)

 

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Chartbooks/2013/Mar/Multinational-Comparisons-of-Health-Data-2012.aspx

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Thank you for your comments.

 

I' m a nurse and I want in the future to obtain a master degree and evolve in my domain. I know that in Germany someone can't study nursing in a university, but only in a "Hochschule", so there are not master degrees. Different accents exist also in Germany with major differences.

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unless the Lincolnshire hospital is in Grantham, or at a push Lincoln, I wouldn't even consider it. Lincolnshire is very rural, sparsely populated and has poor public transport

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You have mentioned that you want to be able to get out and do things, but you haven't answered questions as to where in Germany the job is based. The answers to your question will depend a lot on the answer to ours.

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unless the Lincolnshire hospital is in Grantham, or at a push Lincoln, I wouldn't even consider it.

 

Grantham's the best place in Lincolnshire? I didn't know that. In the absence of any further information, I'd say go for Germany!

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Yeah, there's not a lot in Lincolnshire and I suspect public transport might be rather patchy (it is around where I live, which is more populous than most of Lincolnshire, which would make regular travelling without a car or bike very difficult for me).

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Grantham's the best place in Lincolnshire? I didn't know that. In the absence of any further information, I'd say go for Germany!

 

No, Grantham is the only place in Lincolnshire with a mainline railway station. IMO, Lincoln is the best place in Lincolnshire

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Dear Claire,

being neither German nor English and knowing very little about the health care sector, i can only quote a German medical doctor who i know and who used to work in both countries. UK: relaxed , respectful work atmosphere, sometimes not that organized but fun, Germany: bureaucracy and hierarchy just for the purpose of making it important, hectic, back-stabbing.

I cannot agree more with the other comments about the location in Germany, i think it is crucial, because you will feel more or less welcome as a foreigner depending on location.

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Hi, I worked in admin in the health sector and NHS over a number of years, did loads of temping in different places. For the most part, I enjoyed the different environments and the mostly very friendly staff, in spite of occasional politics.

 

An aspect I'd very much consider is which language would you cope better with in the working world? And which one would more likely bring you future opportunities and would therefore make sense investing time and energy in? Regarding education, in the UK it's expensive (and healthcare is pretty much free)... in Germany, it's the other way around.

 

Transport defo better in Germany, and cheaper, but if you live in the sticks in either place, then there's probably little difference.

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Get out and do things?

 

Yopu can't! This is Germany. Everything is verboten!

 

Did you know you can't even chainsaw down a tree now without a Bescheinigung? And that after a course?

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I'm from Lincolnshire, and I worked in the NHS there - my mother still does. The only place with any young people is Lincoln, which has 2 universities, but otherwise everywhere else is just small towns. Grantham mentioned above has only 40k inhabitants for example. It should also be noted that in most places there the buses stop at 6pm, which isn't great in your circumstance. Basically if you want to have any kind of social life, don't go to Lincolnshire. I can also tell you that the NHS has changed a lot in the last 3 years, with a much greater emphasis on targets and numbers than patient care.

 

However, it will be very hard for you here without speaking better German. I have no experience of the healthcare system here except as a patient.

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"Then you will have to do specific research into the specific places in Lincolnshire and Germany where you would live. In the UK you may find it easier to gain new friends as there is more of a tradition of socialising with workmates or people you meet at clubs etc."

 

That's not been my experience - and I'm British.

 

There's also a lot of violence in the UK - and sometimes, the resentment that 'foreigners are taking our jobs away from us' explodes and some foreigner is either beaten up or killed. Sure, the Germans also resent foreigners sometimes, but they are less likely to beat them unconscious or until they die. The UK overall is a more violent society than Germany (although there are some small signs that society is changing ... sadly.)

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Thank you again for your advices.

 

It's Boston in England and Bonn in Germany.

 

"Why should I put so much effort in when the OP can't even be bothered to tell us what towns she is talking about? :-)

 

http://www.commonwea...-Data-2012.aspx "

 

Anne, I was offline for several hours, thank you for the link.

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Bonn is a really nice place for Germany...

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Bonn is a nice old town on the Rhine. It's close to the wine-growing area of the Pfalz region. There are good train links to other towns such as Cologne and Dusseldorf to the north and Frankfurt and Stuttgart to the south. There is also the Cologne-Bonn airport for when you need to get away.

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Speaking as someone who's visited both, I'd say Bonn every time.

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