Berlin family lives on nearly no money

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Following in the footsteps of Heidemarie Schwermer, Raphael Fellmer, his wife and 18 month old daughter are living with little money other than Kindergeld.

Their story is interesting. Has anyone tried foodsharing.de, or 'grocery store dump diving'? Related story: bin diving in Germany. "Members can log in or use a Smartphone app to see the address of nearby baskets or a pick-up time and place. They can then rate the transaction like ordinary online retailers."

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You can complain about everyone wasting things, but he seems to be a waste of space.

As you say, he is leaching off society without producing anything of need and nothing but hot steam coming out of his mouth. There is much more he could do, produce handmade goods, farming etc...seems he just rather get something for nothing, bumming off the goodwill of others.

For those who go back to basics I can admire, I also don't want to share a toilet with 10 other people, but do or make something that contributes to society.

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The one issue I have with the article is 'Germany has universal healthcare'. True, but it's paid by someone. If not this family, then the taxpayers.

But doesn't everyone have to pay for health insurance? Gardening in exchange for frauenarzt services? Paid for a midwife? Hmm.

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Fellmer, who said he’d held jobs since he was 12 years old

Mmmm. Unless that was in acting - which, well, we can't really call a job... §5 JArbSchG, anyone?

simply depending on the goodwill and excess resources of others [...] including a sailboat that took the trio from the Canary Islands to Brazil in exchange for crew duties

Right. Other places, they call that "hiring on". As in working for a gain. Don't they? It's just that most people would do that with a cargo ship, not a swanky sailboat. And they'd look for perhaps some spending money in addition to Kost und Logis.

Btw, regarding the universal healthcare bit, from an interview he gave taz a couple months ago:

Sie haben eine kleine Tochter. Sind Sie krankenversichert?

Ja, wir bezahlen vom Kindergeld die Familienversicherung für uns drei.

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And they'd look for perhaps some spending money in addition to Kost und Logis.

Vive la différence.

I think it's very brave and adventurous to hitchhike from Europe to México. I'd never do it in a million years! Seems only John G. (and arunadasi?) is so brave, out of the thousands of TTers. ;) OK, Fellmer probably should have brought some condoms along on the 'swanky' boat ride. :lol:

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He's planning to move his family to a commune in Italy apparently btw. Guess the church asylum he's living in isn't swanky enough.

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Well, he is becoming [in]famous, and we are not. So I guess that makes it easy to poke jabs at him. :P

I watched "Brüno" last night for the first time. The part where he is trying figure out something to do for 'humanity' so that he could acquire fame was pretty funny. But "Borat" was WAY better.

Interesting that no one is commenting on the saving of grocery store food from being thrown out, rather making snarky remarks about the barefoot douchebag. :lol:

I do wonder how much fresh bakery bread gets thrown out daily in Germany...

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Well, at least in Bayern the stale Semmeln get turned into Knoedelbrot and then cooked into lovely Semmelknoedel. Just toss some of that Knoedelbrot in my direction and I'll head over to the Cooking Today thread. :rolleyes:

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In his defense, he [...] works 40-50 hours/week [...] Am I therefore not producing anything of value?

Looking through past interviews he's made, he's actually transcended that Walden Two stage. He wants to not tag work with a value. Of course in the same interviews he betrays that concept by saying he's exchanged work for work or goods.

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Mmmm. Unless that was in acting - which, well, we can't really call a job... §5 JArbSchG, anyone?

He won't have had a legal contract but that doesn't mean he didn't have a job. On the weekends I sat in a little office and dispatched taxis, me being 13. Hours were counted on a loose sheet of paper and the money was handed over directly.

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He is not living without money, he is living without his own money. There is a big difference.Every moment of the day he make use of services that other tax payers have PAID for - roads, streetlighting, social services, education, police, health, TV radio broadcasts, donated food, healthcare... Feel free to add your own.He is a workshy scrounger doing it the richest country in the EU.Maybe if he fucked off to Romania, the Ukraine, Greece etc he might just change his tune.Oxygen thief and waste of space.

Greenie, greenie, greenie, greenie!

God, there are so many things about this I could say (the article) but I'd be here all day. Most of you here on this thread have said all there is to say anyway (and got greenies from me...).

I'm all for living with less (and have), not wasting (every day, still do), etc. but all this guy is doing is scrounging off others (whether through taxes or directly)and their goodwill.

And subjecting a child to it? Words fail me.

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Loads. I saw a documentary about food ending up in the garbage in Germany ....

Was it "Taste the Waste"? Excellent doku, saw it on German TV a couple of years ago. The example I remember was from Vienna:

"Täglich wird in Wien so viel Brot weggeworfen, wie Graz (280.000 Einwohner!) zur Versorgung benötigt. "

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Nice point Moondancer made about bottled water. The trick is to consume mindfully. For my part, when I'm thirsty, I drink tap water (I do keep 1,5 liter plastic bottles of sparkling water at my place for making Schorle because I like a nice Schorle now and again. I do not reach for a heavy--and therefore more energy-consuming to transport--glass bottle of brand-name water when I am simply thirsty, as did the barefoot douchebag. I carry an aluminum bottle with me and refill it anywhere I can, including restroom faucets, when I am on the go).

Some of our local grocery stores and bakeries are quite good--there is almost always a time of day when some things are just OUT, that's it, if you want to get such-and-such a kind of bread or croissant or whatever, you have to get there early enough, and if it's gone you have to make do with what's there. Coming from the 24-hour-consumption clock of the United States, this took some time getting used to, but now I am no longer upset when I've gotten there too late to get the dinkelbrötchen. I take something else and am glad not to see a bin full of finished product that will go in the bin at the end of the day.

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They also talked to a potato farmer who said 50% of his produce gets left in the field because the supermarkets will not buy them if they are too big, too small or funny shapes. He said he is happy to see people come and pick the rejects up off the ground because then it doesn't go to waste.

Are you sure it's about that and not about controlling production in order to keep prices up? Why doesn't he sell the remains to the food industry then? He might not get much, but still better than nothing.

@wasted bread: It seems strange that soup kitchens and knödel manufacturers don't but bread form the day before en masse.

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