Salary expectations for software tester

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Hello,

I am having over 8 years of experience in IT - Quality and Testing automation, i m from INDIA applied for a job position in an organization in karlsruhe. i have gone through 3 rounds of interviews and now the forth and final round would be for salary expectations and other formalities.

I really do not have any idea as after completing my homework on net, salary for my skillsets are from 45K - 70K. Please guide me what figure should i expect or propose that should solve both my purpose of not making the HR person run away and having the best possible deal. :rolleyes:

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You didn't provide a job description so it's quit hard to provide a range. At 70k your most probably in the range for lower management (eg project manager), 45k is the IT average for 5 years work experience.

See Gehaltsstruktur. It's German only but might give an idea.

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Thanks a lot for response - Sneffels:

Here is the JD -

tasks:

· test specification and implementation

· Create automated surface tests

· Support the development in troubleshooting

· Support the Service and Support Department

profile:

· degree in computer science, mathematics or other technical course or equivalent qualification and experience

· Experience in software quality assurance, preferably in software projects in agile projects (eg Scrum)

· Good command of English

· Knowledge in test automation with QuickTest Pro or TestComplete

· Microsoft Team Foundation Server

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Hi tripat,

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I assume it's more the lower end. Hint: "support the developers". More advanced would be "provide specifications for the developers". I also don't see a requested amount of experience, EG 3 years in the field, it's just experience. That hints to an entry level job.

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Well, you'd need some experience in the software test/QA arena to fit in with the last two Profile points, but I agree with Sneffels that it's unlikely this is a job senior enough to attract wages of 45k+

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... but I agree with Sneffels that it's unlikely this is a job senior enough to attract wages of 45k+

I'd have to disagree just a wee bit. Supporting a developer does not mean acting as his b*tch :) , but of course as QE you have to find their bugs, work with them on writing test cases, automated if necessary, so scripting skills are necessary. If they want someone with that kind of experience, plus the degree in IT to go with it, then that someone could be a programmer too. Many who go into quality management are compsci guys/gals anyhow.

So I wouldn't sell yourself short. Start high and work your way down low, but not at 70k+, maybe at 55k and be happy with upper 40s. I'd not go lower than 45k. Do they offer anything else? 13th month salary, Christmas or Holiday bonuses, company car, etc.? Where I work, generally salaries are lower than outside the company, but they offer lots of perks and bonuses, etc. It's a trade off.

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Thanks Gwaptiva and Elfenstar.

Yes i am having experience in Automation and framework designing and that is not a problem for me.

@ Elfenstar - Well i am not having any idea with other benefits that would come with the salary, as i would be very new to German organizational policies. and can you help me with like what all i should be expecting them to offer.

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...Well i am not having any idea with other benefits that would come with the salary, as i would be very new to German organizational policies. and can you help me with like what all i should be expecting them to offer.

You need to ask them. Every company is different.

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Tripat

Your profile says you are in India now, am not sure of it. But if thats the case, perks, like a reloction agent to sort out all the beauracracy, may be relocation expenses along with family if married, may be ask them if they are ready to pay the makler (agents fees) for the house you will rent etc.

As mentioned above its different for different countries. IF this is your first time out in germany, and you have worked all the way through in India, the German way is totally different than in India. Yearly salary increases are not common at all, in most cases your pay will change only when you change jobs, there is a lot of things to think about.

So need more info on you before the TTers can help you more.

Edit can see you were trying to create a website for parents in germany or something and a post in 2009, so am assuming you have been in Germany for a few years now and should understand the market and what to ask.

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Thanks Askpryesh for the reply..

Yes i am in India right now, and work permit is what the HR person needs to find out the procedure and they would be arranging the stuff, relocation and makler would be a good point to discuss with them. and may thanks for it.

I know and understand one cannot expect good annual salary increments like we do in India as for very high inflation rate which is not there in Germany.

The website you wrote about, i was creating for a friend in Germany couple of years back but it did not really work out as the friend then relocated to Canada.

Can you guide me for company car, like if the company have a policy for company car but if the employee has his own car, he gets the reimbursements or money for using his own car?

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...Can you guide me for company car, like if the company have a policy for company car but if the employee has his own car, he gets the reimbursements or money for using his own car?

Many companies in Germany will give you a company car if you had one at your old job. If you need one for business purposes (i.e. are in sales, consulting, etc.), they will reimburse you for using your own, private car, maybe 30 cent per kilometer traveled or they will reimburse you for using the train (Deutsche Bahn), a rental car or flying to get to customer appointments, etc. that is pretty standard. The company I worked for says you are entitled to a company car after 3 years and only if you are at a certain pay grade.

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What is your current salary and compensation package? Never had an interview without this info being a starting point.

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I got through the salary negotiations and think got a fair deal, I am now worried about the exit criteria with the job contract which states a notice period of 6 months, is this fair notice period?

I do understand that this makes me feel safe while working for the organization but won't it be difficult to expect other organization to wait for me for 6 months if i look forward to switch and what are the laws for prohibition period in Germany. I understand it is 1st 6 months by German law, but it is not mentioned in contract.is there anything to be concerned off?

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Does your contract really state a termination period of 6 months, at any time? That would be a very long period, even by German standards. Try to negotiate them down on that. To 3 months absolute max., better would be 6 weeks or a month (which is now the standard in Germany).

Is it possible you've misunderstood and the 6 months refers to a probation period for the job? That is often stated in the contract and runs for (often) 6 months, during which time both parties can give shorter notice.

As far as a prohibition period after notice (I take it you mean here that you couldn't work for a company offering similar services during that time?), afaik if it's not stated in the contract, it doesn't apply.

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The company car is not normal in Germany. As stated above in one of the messages it vary's from the type of Job you do vs. the company you work for. If its a large company, they might give it only to executives or people who travel a lot etc.

So there is no direct negotiation on this, unless otherwise mentioned by your company

Its possible to have a notice period that long, given they might be taking a lot of effort to Hire you, but would suggest in requesting for your offer in english (if you dont know German), just to be very careful, as there can be many a exit options.

Like i have 6 weeks to the end of the quarter. Which technically means, If i put my papers down today, the 8th Of March, 6 weeks to the end of the quarter, would be 30th June as my reliving date. Now based on seniority / Grade, this varies in my Company.

Hope this is helpful

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Thanks askpriyesh, my exit clause states:

Notice of Termination

The period of termination will be six months commencing at the end of each calendar month.

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i understand company is putting in a lot of effort in hiring me from INDIA and i totally respect the notice period asked by them.

one more query - if there is no prohibition period mentioned in contract that means there is no prohibition period or there is some law in Germany which states something like 1st 6 months there is around 30 days notice, irrespective of mentioned or not in the contract.

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Exit Criteria is also important IMO and 6 months is no short time for a Company in urgent need to wait.

I once turned down a job offer because of among other things, the notice period was 3 months after the end of the quarter and plus upto 3 months of a Company-decision-dependent 'wettbewerbsverbot'. So in a worst case if I would have got a Job offer in beginning of April, I might not been able to join a new employer til January next year.

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as someone who has hired/fired people in the IT sector - i raise the big questions:

- what makes your profile so special that they wont hire locally?

- why would a company want to invest in relocation (travel, apartment et al)

if anything; if they are showing strong interest - use it to your advantage. the overall costs of bringing someone from outside of EU member states is massive compared to just hiring 2-3 guys locally. be sure not to fall into the "low salary" trap where they force you to live here under the minimum wage and barely survive :) there are laws against that however. as for salary range; depends. if you didn't take on any form of project management type roles - forget anything over 40K eur, as others have said here. the QA/testing field isn't rocket science, so a salary of 70K is very unlikely. more a max of 60K if it is a pure QA/testing focus.

just my 2c.

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Tripat

Am totally with Ardiri's comments above. Just ensure you dont fall for very cheap, cause the cost of getting you here is very high. They paid a shit load to get me here (though I negotitated a lot for the relocation package) and they offered me too little. I refused stright, saying that am not coming in for the pay they quoted and after sever negotiations we did agree on a decent range (higher than the average a few years ago).

Again for a QA/Testing if a small company my, guess may be not more than 55K ayear, which if you are single is a decent range.

Regarding your probation, I think since you have a 6 otnh notice, that covers the usual 6 Month Probation in general contracts in Germany.

They certainly are not going to a pay a lot to get you here and then give you a month's choice to figure out and say you dont like it ah.

My 3 cents

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It sounds like this is an IT support position (Sr. Specialist) in a small company. Considering that you need a work permit and have never worked in Germany before you should be happy to get 50k or more. Small companies normally have a short budget and from my experience they would offer someone from outside the EU a slightly lower salary than they would offer someone from the EU.

The job description also indicates there is no development involved only testing which normally has a lower pay too.

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Hello ,

I have received a final face to face interview call for a position as system developer in a automotive company near wegberg , germany ,

i have 5+ years of experience in software testing manual , automated and development during initial years in india . i am currently on a short project to sweden .

i am married ,no child yet and wife not working .

what are important things i need to clearly assure from them to accept job before relocation, what salary range should i negotiate .

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...what salary range should i negotiate .

You didn't provide a job description so it's quit hard to provide a range. At 70k your most probably in the range for lower management (eg project manager), 45k is the IT average for 5 years work experience. See Gehaltsstruktur. It's German only but might give an idea.

...what are important things i need to clearly assure from them to accept job before relocation...

Use the search feature. You wouldn't be the first person to move to Germany for a job.

Good luck!

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From my experience as a Sr. Systems Analyst with a decent amount of experience (8 years) in software/network support, I have not been offered more than 40,000.00/year Euros. QA's typically make 5,000.00-7,000.00 less on average but this all depends on the company! Lots of QA gigs popping up in London btw.

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Hi everyone.

i am 6+ years Software Tester - Automation QTP

i am curious about how to get job in germany.

do i need to learn german?

what are the job sites which can help me get a call.

thanks in advance

Ankur - India

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