Payment for putting in an extra lock

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Hello people!

I had an attempted burglary recently and decided to put an extra lock on the door.

My landlord is not very communicative so I'd like to ask here if anyone knows who is responsible for something like that: do I have to cover the costs of the extra lock or it's up to the landlord?

Please let me know or maybe point me to the right law that covers this.

Thanx a lot!

Adam

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If you already have a lock on the door, which works, then I would rather assume that a second one would not be deemed "necessary", and that the landlord has done his duty by providing you with one.

Quite honestly, I would check with the Mietverein to see if you are even permitted to add locks willy-nilly...

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If *you* have decided you need and *extra* lock, you should probably pay (although if you could get hold of your landlord they might contribute if tehy thought ot woudl be useful). You are perfectly entitled to do this, although theoretically the landlord could insist you remove it (and fill any screw holes etc when you do) when you leave.

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I got the permission from the landlord to install an extra lock. All I'm asking is who has to cover the costs since I don't know the tenants rights laws.

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Hi, it is your right and choice whether you put a new lock on the doors, you can also change the whole locks yourself how you wish to. By German tenancy law, it is your home, and you are the master. The landlord is not allowed to contact you or visit you without permission, of which he must get in writing.

I hope this helps.

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You pay for the extra lock, but more importantly (especially here in Berlin) you get some Hausratversicherung to insure all your stuff. Make sure it covers the replacement value of things taken. Ours costs us about 20€/month for up to 65,000€ damage (including fire, etc., too) and it includes the all important Haftpflichtversicherung. We had a break-in a couple of years ago while on vacation and they took a TV, a couple of cameras, a laptop, etc, damage for the replacement value was almost 5,000€ that they paid within two weeks. I had purchased most of these items for a fraction of the price a couple of years earlier in the US. Replacement value is where it is at!It was almost like a free upgrade. <img class="bbc_emoticon" alt=" :) " src="http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif"><br>

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Quite honestly, I would check with the Mietverein to see if you are even permitted to add locks willy-nilly...

His name is Adam Biscuits... not "Willy Nilly"..... Silly!

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His name is Adam Biscuits... not "Willy Nilly"..... Silly!

Troll...

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I got the permission from the landlord to install an extra lock. All I'm asking is who has to cover the costs since I don't know the tenants rights laws.

Adam, do you have this permission in written form? I'd very much suggest that you do and futhermore, discuss what happens when you move out. Depending upon the contract words and the type of lock you installed, you've made a permanent type change to the physical state of your flat and might have to repair or reverse it when you move out.

Robinson100 made a good advise about the Mietverein. You might want to consult them if you are a member and provide details of the lock installed. Their recommendation might be very worth your time.

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You do not need permission, or ahve to tell anyone.The apartment you rent is yours, and no one need another key for it except you and someone you nominated in case of emergency. It's common practise to change the locks immediately, so that no one can get in that lived there before. Many keys are coded and you will need proof that you live there if you want new locks and keys. The landlord plays no role in all of this...it's your apartment now.

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The landlord is not allowed to contact you or visit you without permission, of which he must get in writing.

Wrong.

You do not need permission, or ahve to tell anyone.

Wrong again. If he changes the locks he has to inform the landlord, though he can't oject. But the tenant has to pay for it, unless the old lock is broken.

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sorry, you are wrong!! i have rented many properties in germany and read the laws and rights of being a tenant. you sir have no clue at all. You do not need to tell anyone, as the landlord can not visit you, read the law and right please for once in your life.

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you also were rude, and how old are you?

The tenant does not to tell anyone about a new lock. Also the landlord is not allowed to visit you when they want, and therefore cannot try the lock.If they do then that can be taken as attempted burglary, this is written in stone. I have rented many places in Germany and have read the laws in and out,thank you.

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Sorry? You should abide by the rules and not call people genitalia. The landlord must write to you...or email you. Could it be you are new to renting apartments? I have had more than 10 apartments in Germany and my german girlfriends have helped me understand the right of the Mieter.

I think you are easy prey for any landlord, as you do not know your rights as a mieter.

http://www.123recht.net/Darf-Mieter-Schloss-austauschen-__f52174.html

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It's easy to shout the odds from the touch line, but if (bloody big IF) you were even in the least bit familiar with the conflicting clauses contained within the simplest paragraphs of German law you would understand why there are whole armies of fully qualified lawyers called FACHANWÄLTE für MIETRECHT kept very busy studying and arguing their clients cases before the courts 5 days a week.

It might add a modicum of credibility to your claims if they were accompanied with the § number, subsection letter and sentence numbers of the unversal law you claim applies to the OP's situation. Most of those posters above who are actually offering more qualified opinions do know where to look to find the specific legal basis for their info. As do I, PandaMunich, Buel and doubtless Bayrisch Dude too. So, my dear davidjackson, please feel free to provide the evidence of your claims which counter all our opinions. I look forward to learning something new whenever I can.

Otherwise tone it down and try and learn something or go play somewhere else where the game stays within your limitations.

There's enough hot air in here already.

2B

Edit; Oh well done for getting an actual link in while I posted. I'll go read it now although I see it wasn't a link to an actual law, but to another forum.

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Sorry? You should abide by the rules and not call people genitalia. The landlord must write to you...or email you. Could it be you are new to renting apartments? I have had more than 10 apartments in Germany and my german girlfriends have helped me understand the right of the Mieter.

I think you are easy prey for any landlord, as you do not know your rights as a mieter.

I actually own my place, Me.. not the bank!!... WTF are you on about?

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would you mind not sounding so arrogant? I have been a tenant for many years, and know the right of the mieter, please stop flaming and add your knowledge of changing locks as a tenant, that would be helpful.

Tell me what you know, but as a tenant the locks is changeable and you only need to pay for the costs, but the landlord cannot do anything about a new lock, and you can decide if he gets the new key or not.

Have you got a different opinion? please by polite this time, thank you.

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Spiderpig, then what are you doing on this forum? this is for tenants, and please stop swearing. The bank owns it, until you have paid your mortgage off.

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Would you mind not sounding quite such an idiot? The only person flaming on here is yourself. Several people have pointed out to you that the OP has not written what you think he has, the last being PandaMunich:

Now, this does not - as you seem to assume - mean that the OP wants to change the cylinder lock (= Zylinderschloß) in his door.

He wants to put an additional lock on his door, which will change the door.

Before he can do so, he has to ask his landlord for permission, since this is not a change that is easily reversed when the OP moves out again.

You're right insofar as locks can be exchanged without notifying the landlord, as long as you put the original lock back in before moving out - but that's not what this thread is about.

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How would you feel about being locked out of a prperty that you own?

A Property that you have entrusted with the HV to " attend to"... and then there is a water pipe burst!!! No one can get in because you have changed the locks and gone on holliday!!

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Hello Adam, you have to pay the costs, and put the original lock back in when you leave. But you do not need to tell the vermieter about the new lock, as it's now your place. This the beauty of Germany, your apartment is your castle.

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