Germany is at the bottom..

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So, unsurprisingly Germany consistently scores well when it comes to overall economic strength, but it is third from the bottom of a list of western countries in gender pay and pensions equality rankings.

(Article is in German.)

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/karriere/oecd-studie-deutschland-ist-ganz-unten-1.1553035

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Yet another crappy OECD study. Women who are working part time earn less money than men who are working more hours - what a shocking display of inequality.

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Does the OECD study say that, Oblomov?

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That's to a major extent the basis for the pay gap between man and women when you take a closer look at the statistics of the Federal Statistics Office. If you want to prove that women are systematically discriminated against you would have to show that they regularly receive less pay for the same work. The statistics that are available do not really support such a claim.

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Unfortunately what Oblomov has stated is the truth. I am doing some recruiting on the side and here is just an example: a man who applied for the same position asked for 100 K per year and the woman 60 K. Kind of sad really.

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Men know better how to negotiate when it comes to salaries. That's it. Maybe it should be introduced into the school curriculum.

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I tend to agree with Mike. I do think the problem is that many women are ASKING for much lower salaries. I did that early in my career, then I had a sort of epiphany when I was offered a job that I didn't actually need - I asked for what was, in my mind, a ridiculous sum and they agreed without batting an eye. Since then I have been much more aggressive about salary and it works.

I do think women need to be taught how to better evaluate their worth! It seems that in general, women undervalue themselves, and of course most employers are fine with that.

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That is only the tip of the iceberg.

Over the last 10 years Germany has experienced the steepest decline in wages of all western nations and to combat high unemployment devised a scheme to (pretend) employ the unemployed for meager unemployment benefits instead of wages, thereby creating an entire industry fueled by the unemployed exploiting them as cheap labor.

Statistically Germany continues to list them as employed (although they live of unemployment benefits) to uphold the facade of low unemployment in Germany.

The State in concert with Leiharbeiter/Loan -worker agencies lends them out to German industry as on demand cheap workers.

Unemployed who refuse to participate in this scheme stand to have their already bare bones benefits cut, which in effect coerces them into participation.

Many German companies already drowning in regulation, bureaucracy and taxes can only continue existing and producing with the State supplying them with millions of near unpaid workers from the unemployment lines all subsidized by the State/the taxpayer.

In effect the German taxpayer is financing armies of cheap workers for (so called) private industry while concurrently also providing an incentive for perpetual poverty and the decline of their own wages in the long run.

Anyway below is a link to a German documentary with English subtitles detailing how this State sponsored exploitation scam works.

The Poverty Industry

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Men know better how to negotiate when it comes to salaries. That's it. Maybe it should be introduced into the school curriculum.

Not sure why you guys negged Mike. This is the truth. Women usually tend to underestimate themselves and men tend to overestimate themselves.

I've met a good number of men lying about stuff on their CVs, while on the other hand women would rarely do that.

Few women who are really confident succeed in our society. As women it is our duty to make sure our daughters and sons grow up as self confident

individuals.

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My CV is gender neutral, and 'Mr Boots' gets lots of interest from employers and headhunters for high-paid jobs, right up until they realise that I'm not male. Then the 'price tag' suddenly drops. I actually had it happen in the middle of an interview just recently - the interviewer announced the job was not 'senior' enough for a relocation package (funny, because 'senior' was in the job title) and offered me less than the lowest end of the scale we'd been discussing before we'd met face to face. I didn't take it.

In my current job, my male counterpart drives a sports car and I take public transport. OK I took the job at a lower salary because I needed it. I've more than proved my worth - so after a year I asked for a review. They pleaded poverty, even though they just raised a seven-figure capital injection (with my help, I should mention). Yes I'm looking around!

It's not that we don't ask for the equal salaries, it's that many employers genuinely don't think women are worth the same as a man, and even that we should be grateful to have a job at all. But if you can't get the job in the first place, how can you prove them wrong? So we settle for less.

I've had this interesting conversation with a woman in Chicago who built her own business as a independent trader. She is the seventh most wealthiest woman in Chicago. She has told me that women should make sure they can set up and run their own business because in someway or another every woman will hit the glass ceiling regardless whom she works for.

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I agree about salary negotiation being in the curriculum, for both sexes, along with advice on networking and presentation and all sorts of business training. We leave school woefully unprepared for business life.

I've encountered a lot of students at trade fairs lately, and why in heaven's name doesn't someone tell them that potential employers proabably don't want to see their underwear.

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I've encountered a lot of students at trade fairs lately, and why in heaven's name doesn't someone tell them that potential employers proabably don't want to see their underwear.

Well not all women try the classy route like you and me. I've had some female colleagues who climbed up the pay ladder by screwing our bosses. One used to openly live in a penthouse which our boss paid for her, as she was his mistress and she rubbed it under our noses.

I recently went a local German stock exchange event and I first thought their sales person is a Russian escort. She was dressed like the girl below, I kid you not.

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Not being able to negotiate has nothing to do with intelligence (IQ), so no one is saying that women are stupid or ignorant. It has to do with self confidence, which means they are lacking in the emotional intelligence department. Plus emotional intelligence (EQ) and intelligence (IQ) have no correlation.

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Men know better how to negotiate when it comes to salaries. That's it. Maybe it should be introduced into the school curriculum.

It's not so black and white, but I'd tend to agree with this point nonetheless.

Not sure about being part of the school curriculum. Would be interesting to know what the current Business Studies A and AS level courses in the UK, for example, consist of.

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Well not all women try the classy route like you and me.

- actually I meant the boys :D

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It's not that we don't ask for the equal salaries, it's that many employers genuinely don't think women are worth the same as a man, and even that we should be grateful to have a job at all. But if you can't get the job in the first place, how can you prove them wrong? So we settle for less.

Boots, your 'price-tag' story makes an interesting - and alarming - read.

Yep, we do end up settling for less. Bills have to be paid at the end of the day.

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- actually I meant the boys

LOL :lol:

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