Child diagnosis of ADHD Germany

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Hi there perhaps someone could offer some suggestions on this topic. Here are the facts.

 

My sons school teacher wants us to have him tested for ADHD and has provided a list of his misdemeanors. He is10 years old and goes toalocal school and in the 3 years he has been here is completely fluent and immersed. In the U.K. he was diagnosed with dyslexia. We have 3 kids and we don't think he has what the teaches wants checked. We have expat friend teachers who say no way also. In the UK there was a history of misdiagnosis in the country generally. In Germany we are aware that this also occurs and that there is a current reliance on drugs. However the German medical association sent published last month a report warning child practitioners of all types against misdiagnosis and the inappropriate use of drugs. In particular it warned against not using global guidelines regarding observation in more than one setting school which is being routinely ignored.

 

Now the question is some of my german colleagues have told me not to take it further to avoid placing my son in the system. They also say that the school cannot enforce their wishes ant that this will not affect his senior school move next year while getting diagnosed might. I don't know what to do although we are adamant that no form of drug taking will be taking place. Perhaps you could share your tthoughts with us.

 

Thankyou

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Well, I am sure that they would say my son is as well.

 

He is NOT, but boys are a little more wired, especially when sitting too long. There are several books out their on the subject, that boys learn differently than girls and it is a wonderful thing when you have teachers that realize that! We are lucky to have several at our school, but one still teaches in the traditional fashion.

 

The biggest thing for your child is to make sure that their diet is healthy and free of too much sugar, sodas, etc. Sugar agitates my son. Also, we keep him involved in sports, as it is important for them to get that pinned up energy out. Especially, when going through puberty. (those hormones can drive you all mad, he is 12 years old) Boys like learning hands on and this is such a crucial age for them, it is natural and not ADD or ADHD.

 

Wishing you much luck.

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langenandy - in our experience, German parents traditionally see any kind of 'special' within school as a black mark against the child for its future. This is not necessarily taking into consideration what is best for the child.

 

About settings - there are clearly problems at school. You do not feel there is a big issue, so home is not a problem 'setting'. You need to find other settings in which he interacts without you eg. Wolflinge, Sportverein, any kind of extra class like that. How do they honestly feel? Do they find he is just like any other 10 year old, or do they 'cope' with his behaviour because they are accomodating types?

 

If he is only a 'problem' at school, then you have a teacher/kid, school/kid or maybe just kid(s)/kid issue going on, which for sure needs intervention, but not by a doc.

 

If he is a problem in another setting, and you do need to ask them to be honest with you and not fob you off to be 'kind', then you do have another kind of problem on your hands, and to be fair to the child and all the other adults and children who will be affected by him, it does need sorted, and it can feel a bit crap.

 

Meanwhile, as Renee above says, diet and exercise are how you show the school that you are listening to them and being pro-active. We have a kid who got part diagnosed with ADD, until we found out that the only intervention available to us was Ritalin, at which point we 'got off the boat' and went down a weirdy-beardy route suggested by a teacher friend.

 

The diet is extreme, and very hard to follow, but some changes are better than none, and if the school know that you are being very careful with your child's food intake etc. then they will at least feel that you care.

 

If you add a region to your profile, someone who knows about the impact of diagnosis on the child's future schooling in your area might come forward. TT is full of knowledgeable people.

 

Derek - sorry - took forever to write mine and hadn't read yours. That is a very useful explanation of ADD, thanks.

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Thankyou all very much already for the input. We live in the Frankfurt area and I have changed my profile to reflect that.

We have got our sons diet very tightly controlled already and he plays tennis and or swims 3 times a week. When I mention this to poeple they express shock and just cannot believe it - am I sure it is not a personality clash - no I am not.

 

I have read and studied so much about this I could write ba book myself but in everything I read my son constantly displays complete contra indications. For example last week a blitz rechnung so no notice - 79 maths questions finsihed first with 100%. The people I have spoken to thus far say that this just would not happen. I dont know if they are right or wrong.

 

The only reason I gave this post is because having been "caught" before with some of the local systems I do not want to make a mistake with what is a far more important area. This fear being further reinforced when German colleagues advise not going further. German collegaues who know my son I might add and describe him as just sharp.

 

Once again thankyou all very much

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For example last week a blitz rechnung so no notice - 79 maths questions finsihed first with 100%.

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German collegaues who know my son I might add and describe him as just sharp.

 

Could it be that your son is just very intelligent, bored in class and therefore acts up?

 

Taken from this article on gifted children:

 

  • "Many gifted children have one or more "Supersensitivities." A child may get his feelings hurt very easily or he may be sensitive to loud noises or be bothered by the seams on socks. A child may also have excess energy and be in constant motion. It is important to realize, though, that not all gifted children have these sensitiities."

 

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For example last week a blitz rechnung so no notice - 79 maths questions finsihed first with 100%. The people I have spoken to thus far say that this just would not happen. I dont know if they are right or wrong.

 

People with ADD/ADHD usually concentrate on just everything around them, like Deregbeggs said. BUT they are also able to super-concentrate on things deeply interesting for them. So I wouldn't take this example as a proof that your son doesn't have ADD/ADHD.

 

In your situation I would do exactly as Derekbeggs says - get your kid diagnosed by an independent specialist. After test/tests you will know for sure instead of keeping guessing. Nobody can force you to medicate your son - but if your son does have ADD and you know it - then you'd be able to keep it in check and really improve your son's quality of life - and isn't that what every parent would wish for?

 

ADD is a condition which has been relatively well researched and which adverse effects can be relatively easy alleviated. There isn't anything sinister about it, no need to be scared.

 

I wish you and your son all the best.

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Hi Loewenherz and thankyou for your post. We are not scared just wary as my German colleagues tell me I should be. As for treartmenst for ADHD and or ADD we are well researched on the topic and both routes do have known side effects and Ritalin in particular is well known not to eb any form of remedy treating as it does the symptoms only. Interestingly the German medical publication asks, as has previous stateside articles, who ritalin actually helps.

Also, I read into your reply that you have some knowledge and you mention being able to improve my sons quality of life and I think that just sums it up as he has a great life he enjoys everything and is very very happy indeed. There are absolutely none of the "ngative" and documented symptoms at all. As I said in previous posts UK teachers here that no him all are astonished and say it just is not the case.

However all that being said to stay on topic my question was not intended to start a debate on ADHD etc but rather to find out if anyone else understands the warnings that I have been given (and they are numerous) about getting started in the "system with this. Of course I will have him checked and somebody said "independantly" but I suppose this is why I am asking; independant of what and for what reason?

 

Thanks to eveyone for their posts

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I would have thought that 'independent of the school or local authority' would be independent enough. No-one is going to force you to do anything based on such a report, and it will come to you not the school or Land, and so if you are not happy, you can get a second/third report without any ill-feeling from anyone.

 

Opinions of people who know your child are not overwhelmingly helpful - ours presents as an extremely sociable pleasant boy, willing to help and super with little ones. He has many adult friends (from a wide range of professions) who think the world of him, and frankly have a hard time believing that we have had to have any kind of intervention at all. They are not in the situation of his school teacher, and therein lies the rub. The thing about settings matters enormously.

 

Hopefully you will discover that your issue is with the school and the boy, and be able to resolve it easily with the move next year.

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I read into your reply that you have some knowledge and you mention being able to improve my sons quality of life and I think that just sums it up as he has a great life he enjoys everything and is very very happy indeed. There are absolutely none of the "ngative" and documented symptoms at all. As I said in previous posts UK teachers here that no him all are astonished and say it just is not the case.

 

Hi langenandy, yes indeed I have some knowledge - I most likely have adult ADD and got naturally interested in this topic, did some research etc. Regarding my personal view on the treatment with Ritalin being effective to symptoms only - well, when it comes to me I am worried about some of the symptoms, and if they won't go otherwise than by using drugs - so be it. And actually I wouldn't like to permanently change the way my brain ticks.. I much rather use something that changes it for a moment, like coffee giving you a boost when you need it.. although I wouldn't like to be like that all the time! I admit though that I didn't dig into the side effects , and of course this issue is far more complicated than in my example.

 

My doctor thinks that there might be another issue as well so I'm not taking any drugs (yet) but trying out some mental exercises and tricks, which actually make amazing change already to my quality of life.. yet most of my friends have told me that I shouldn't believe there is anything out of order about me or my behaviour B) I think differently :ph34r: This experience has certainly changed my perspective on this issue.

 

PS: I believe I'm mostly very happy person, especially when socialising, being out and about etc. But still - in certain situations the ADD symptoms just suck. I wouldn't recommend to anyone going through it, if you have the choice to change it.

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Could it be that your son is just very intelligent, bored in class and therefore acts up?

 

Taken from this article on gifted children:

 

  • "Many gifted children have one or more "Supersensitivities." A child may get his feelings hurt very easily or he may be sensitive to loud noises or be bothered by the seams on socks. A child may also have excess energy and be in constant motion. It is important to realize, though, that not all gifted children have these sensitiities."

 

 

This is just what i was going to say, good you mentioned it Panda, You need to get him check for this or he will be bored out of his mind, Bless, I wish you all the best, he most probably doesn't have ADD, hes just very gifted & bored.

AND if he does have ADD take him to a someone that does alternative medicine, there is a lady Dr in Bad homburg http://www.drpetrabracht.de/ you can only but try and not put him on medication so quickly.

I had 2 boys and they are very different from girls in the way they learn at school.

Ritalin terrible medication, to be avoided if possible.

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