Understanding the Sperrfrist with the Arbeitsamt

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Hello,

 

I will get a Sperrfrist from Arbeitsamt for having quit my job of my own initiative(so I understand).

 

In other countries I didn't even bother with the relative Arbeitsamts, I just save enough for 1 year without work just in case, but everybody is telling me to register because it's the safe thing to do and so forth.

 

I am planning to take 2 months off anyway after I leave my job, to update my skills and get some energy back (in my line of work, it's often needed, it's not like taking classes, you must really "catch up" with new things, it takes 1/2 months), and then 2/3 weeks off to regain energy, concentrate on my future goals etc. It's something that I always do after I leave a job, it's how I "regenerate".

 

Problem is that, as I understand, Arbeitsamt wants you to "get back to work", period. That's why I was thinking of not registering with Arbeitsamt. Those 2/3 months, I really need to be left alone.

 

Now, considering that I will get 3 months Sperrfrist, a friend of mine told me that since I'm not getting any money during that period, they will leave me alone during those 3 months (so I will be able to do what I have to do) - true?

 

Thanks.

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One question - what are you going to do for health insurance while out of work? Normally the Arbeitsamt would take care of that.

 

Another problem that could arise is if you need to apply for ALG at a later stage, I think they can give you a second Sperrfrist for not registering on time (not 100% sure on this though), if you have a Sperrzeit from 24 weeks, you could lose all entitlement to ALG

 

But yeah, if you don't register, they will leave you alone

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Thanks IL.

 

The plan is to immediately register, get the Sperrfrist (for having quit) and be left alone for 3 months.

 

Or - even during the time I am under Sperrfrist - I still have to do interviews and so forth?

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Or - even during the time I am under Sperrfrist - I still have to do interviews and so forth?

 

AFAIK yes

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AFAIK yes

 

Uhhmm...that's really not good for me, I need that time.

 

Problem is, when I apply for a job again, future employers WILL be looking for things that I will have done during that time.

 

Not doing it will actually heavily hinder my job search.

 

So, what's the least damaging - ignoring their orders for 3 months, or registering 3 months late?

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When you say "update your skills" what exactly do you mean? Are you actually planning on doing a course of some sorts, the Arbeitsamt might actually help you with that

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Excellent tip.

 

In reality I have to freshen up on several thing, but maybe I could take a course, and in the afternoon do the rest of the things I have to do.

 

Small problem - the kind of courses I take are 2k euros for 2 months...will Arbeitsamt pay for that?

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In my experience they definitely won't pay, because they will only send you to courses that THEY decide you need. Usually some cheesy variation of "how to put together a CV" or some such.

 

However, proving that you will be doing courses may well stop them expecting you to be applying during that time - although now that I think about it, I'm not so sure about that. At the time, they wanted me to do a course (which thankfully, never came to pass), and still expected to have proof of x number of applications every week during the time of the course.

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Courses at 2k for 2 months? A bargain. We charge that for a 2-dayer :)

 

I take it from what you're saying that yours is quite a senior or deeply technical/specialist role, which means that Arbeitsamt is going to be totally out of their depth, and won't be able to judge if you've applied for something reasonable or totally away from anything you could possibly expect to get. And then apply in English and they'll not have a scooby at all :ph34r:

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You might get around the Sperrfrist, if you´ve got a *good* reason why you quit the job.

 

Examples:

 

1.) Your doc told you that you won´t reach 40 if you continue that job.

 

2.) Your boss did not abide the contract, didn´t pay you for example.

 

3.) Your boss demands that you do illegal things.

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Well, maybe you can just pay the health insurance by yourself during this time, and act as if nothing happened.

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I take it from what you're saying that yours is quite a senior or deeply technical/specialist role, which means that Arbeitsamt is going to be totally out of their depth, and won't be able to judge if you've applied for something reasonable or totally away from anything you could possibly expect to get. And then apply in English and they'll not have a scooby at all

 

If this is the case, as it was for me, the Arbeitsamt won't bother you at all, Sperrfrist or no. They basically told me they couldn't do anything for me and never contacted me once. I only contacted them when I needed to notify them if I was leaving the country (which you have to do, as you always have to be available) or when there was a problem with payment (which only happened once). I would definitely register. I don't remember exactly, but I got around €1300/month, which is pretty good and would go quite a ways toward paying for any courses you might want to take.

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The first month after losing your job your ex employer still has to cover know for a fact as i have been through it.If you are going to get a 3 months speerfrist then still register.The Arbeitsamt will leave you alone but after the 3 months they will want to know what you have been doing during that 3 months.

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If this is the case, as it was for me, the Arbeitsamt won't bother you at all, Sperrfrist or no. They basically told me they couldn't do anything for me and never contacted me once. I only contacted them when I needed to notify them if I was leaving the country (which you have to do, as you always have to be available) or when there was a problem with payment (which only happened once). I would definitely register. I don't remember exactly, but I got around €1300/month, which is pretty good and would go quite a ways toward paying for any courses you might want to take.

 

Thanks Rick.

 

Yes, that's the case, I hold a senior and very technical position.

 

I think I'll register and go from there...

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One thing though: my notice is 2 months. When do I go to Arbeitsamt and register? The first day after I stop working?

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You have to notify them as soon as you know you are leaving your job. In your case, when you give official notice to your job. They will penalize you if you don't do this (i.e. not pay you for a week or two or three.)I was five days late with registering, and they docked me a week's payment.

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One thing though: my notice is 2 months. When do I go to Arbeitsamt and register? The first day after I stop working?

 

As soon as you have official notification that you are leaving your job (either your official notification or your employer's), you should register as Arbeitssuchend, which you can do here (you have to register with the site first). This is a requirement and will save you much trouble later on.

 

Also, when you have dealings with them, do NOT call them the Arbeitsamt. They do not like to be called that anymore. They are the Bundesagenteur für Arbeit. I know it's silly, but they can and will make your life miserable if you piss them off. They were nothing but good (i.e. they ignored me) to me, but I have heard stories...

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