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Hi. Good day to everyone.

I am still in Active Duty right now but I would like to stay in Germany when i get out in early 2014.

I read about European-Out. I still need to find more information about that though.

*If you got some advice (about the process for European-Out), I would appreciate it very much.

I have questions that someone might be able to answer for me.

Thank you in Advance

Questions

1. what will happen to my USAREUR driver's license. Is it still valid after the military or do i have to get another german driving license?

2. can I use my GI bill to study here in Germany (college)

3. Do you know of an english speaking college/ university here?

4. I only signed up for 4 years but I do understand there's another 4 years on top of that where the US army can call me back when they are in need.

*Would it be okay if i stay in germany after I ETS?

5. After you get your residence/work permit in Germany, how long is it valid for?

Thank You again

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1 - You lose your USAREUR license if you do not work for the US gov. You will need to get a German license.

2 - You can use your GI bill to study at any formally approved school or program. Check what European schools and programs are listed. UMUC and Oklahoma and such require classes be done on base and you lose your access card when you separate so don't look to those.

3 - Several hold classes in English though none are English only. Learn German or move to the UK.

4 - There are plenty of people who do a Euro out. Just make sure the military has your contact info and can reach you should they determine they need you back. Barring a global war I would not expect that to occur.

5 - Work/Study permits vary. If you are going to school you need a study permit. If you are working you need a work permit. Determine the direction and then you know what to research.

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do you happen to know who i should talk to, to process the european out? :)

and how soon should i start doing it?

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3. Do you know of an english speaking college/ university here?

Why would you want to stay in Germany to study in English? I suggest you read Schiller International University for a previous discussion we had (especially the advice in post #5) as well as Attending an American university in Germany.

5. After you get your residence/work permit in Germany, how long is it valid for?

You might want to start your research by reading the wiki.

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When I got out I stayed in the reserves here in Germany. Great people, very little time, keeps your access to the PX, etc... I found it a great way for a transition and there are still many reserves here, I believe still in Illisheim not far at all from Ansbach. Good luck

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Hello,

I have some help with my situation.

I am a 24 years old Turkish woman. My girlfriend is in the U.S. Military and she works in Germany. She will be there until May,2016. We want to be together as soon as possible and at this moment only way that I think that can make us be together is Germany's civil partnership act. Since Germany is so sick of Turkish people, which I understand, they do not just let me go there and be with her. And in the other hand, even though there are some states which performes same-sex marriages legally but even that does not make me just be with her wherever she goes. (I know some of you guys are like even DADT has just been gone what is she even talking about.. I know right. :/)

Soo.. Only way for us to be together is applying for that civil partnership act. And I have questions about this. I know that only German citizens or foreign people who have a residency in Germany can get married. So do you guys know that she automatically has the residency since she serves in Germany? If not, can she applyto get one? Is she allowed to apply, I dont want her to get in trouble with the military because of me.

And last, do you guys think (if everything goes well and we get married under German laws) that I will be able to get residency as well? And I know that foreign people who get married in Germany needs to learn German. Do you guys think that I will have to learn German?

I would appreciate your help, if you can. Thanks for your time.

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As a member of the military, she does not have German residency, nor can she apply for it. She has SOFA status as a result of her military affiliation.

To stay with her in Germany, you would have to get on her orders as a dependent. She will need to ask her organization about the steps required to achieve that, if it is at all possible. Germany has no say in the decision in that regard.

I have no idea whether you can register an eingetragene Partnershaft - which is not a full equivalent of a registered marriage for tax or inheritance purposes - in Germany if neither of you are resident, but I would assume not. Even if you manage that, I don't know whether it would be recognized as a marriage by the U.S. military authorities.

Your girlfriend will have to get the ball rolling, as I said above.

Good luck.

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To stay with her in Germany, you would have to get on her orders as a dependent. She will need to ask her organization about the steps required to achieve that, if it is at all possible.

From the comment "Same sex spouse of a servie member" on this page, it looks as if it is not possible, sorry.

These are comments on the article "The Policy Concerning Homosexuals in the United States Military", updated March 28, 2012.

Please also read the articles:

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Thanks you two a lot. Even though you gave me such bad news. :)

I know that I cant get on her orders nor I can have the same rights that straight couples do. I know that none of the US laws can make me stay with her in Germany.

But it didnt make me give up, I did some research and I found out that I might be wrong with the residency deal. Do military people have to have a residency to get married under German laws? I dont think they do. And I dont think that Germany would ask for a residency when a gay couple want to get married, when they dont ask for it when a straight couple wants to do the same. What do you think?

I wonder if there are any military people who got under German laws in this web site, I would love to hear from them.

So do you guys think that military people have to have a residency to get married under German laws? Arent they already in Germany with some kind of international agreement signed in between the States and Germany? What documents would Germany ask military members to provide if they wanted to get married under German laws?

Once again, thanks for your time.

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If you can obtain all the necessary documents required by the Standesamt, you can get married here while here on a Schengen Visa, however, it won't have any impact on your immigration status.

Since the Americans don't recognise same-sex marriages, they won't give you a SOFA card and since your partner doesn't have a German permit, you can't apply for a permit from the Germans based on being married.

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to my understanding members of the US Military have SOFA status and they are not affiliated with German authorities. officially they are not residing in Germany.

i am sure an american will step in with more knowledge.

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If you can obtain all the necessary documents required by the Standesamt, you can get married here while here on a Schengen Visa, however, it won't have any impact on your immigration status.

Dear Engelchen,

If we can obtain the necessary documents, we can get married like you said above. But I think it may be possible for me to have the immigration rights to stay with her with getting married.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unions_in_Germany

Like if she can prove the Standesamt that she is staying until 2016? Can you please check the link above and let me know what you think?

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US military in Germany aren't residents of Germany - they're long term tourists and nothing more. your only hope is for the US to scrap the defense of marriage act which is what prevents the US military from officially recognizing same-sex marriages.

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But I think it may be possible for me to have the immigration rights to stay with her with getting married.

If your girlfriend had a German residence permit, it would not be a problem (i.e. she was civilian working for a company in Germany).

I read a similar thread on info4alien. Are you an engineer? Another option would be to come for 6 months to look for a job (AufenthG §18c) and then apply for a regular work permit if you find a position.

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If your girlfriend had a German residence permit, it would not be a problem (i.e. she was civilian working for a company in Germany).

I read a similar thread on info4alien. Are you an engineer? Another option would be to come for 6 months to look for a job (AufenthG §18c) and then apply for a regular work permit if you find a position.

I have no idea how you guessed that but yes, I am an engineer. The web site is in German, can you please give me a topic so I can google what youre talking about and find out? Like what is that called or something like that?

Thanks.

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I have no idea how you guessed that but yes, I am an engineer.

Engelchen (& PandaMunich) don't guess - they know :)

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I think one of your friend's must have posted this topic for you.

Make it to Germany is the government's propoganda website to promote immigration of skilled labour to Germany. Although they have stretched the truth in a few places, you can find lots of useful info on immigrating to Germany.

The VDI is a good place to look for jobs in engineering and you might want to start also looking into having your qualifications recognised in Germany (see anabin).

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Maybe it would be worthwhile to find out whether it would make things easier for you to get married in a country where same-sex marriage is possible and then try again as a married couple?

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The problem is not getting married nor German immigration laws, the problem is the American Defence of Marriage Act and unless and it is amended or repealed they are not considered married by the Americans.

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@ Jeba: What difference would that make? Her partner is still a member of the military and has no German residency, nor can she apply for it. As a member of the US military, she has SOFA status, and the only way for the OP to be with her in Germany would be to get on her orders as a dependent. And that, as Engelchen already said, is out of the question:

Since the Americans don't recognise same-sex marriages, they won't give you a SOFA card and since your partner doesn't have a German permit, you can't apply for a permit from the Germans based on being married.

A much more promising avenue is to explore the possibilities of getting a job as an engineer, and get to Germany that way.

EDIT: I type too slow...

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@ Jeba: What difference would that make? Her partner is still a member of the military and has no German residency, nor can she apply for it.

Well, I thought maybe the German Auslaenderbehoerde would grant her permission to live with her partner if they were married as in that case she could claim extraordinary hardship (and prevention of hardship is stipulated as being a valid reason for granting a residence permit).

But of course if she could get a job and qualify for a residence permit that way it would be even better. If she can't, maybe further studying in Germany (for the first year visiting a language school should already be good enough) would be an option?

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Hello all,

Thank you all for your posts. Btw, Dear engelchen, I wish I knew German so I could be able to understand that topic which is opened 'one of my friends'. :) I will be on a research with the links that you sent. Thank you.

Btw yes, it would be possible for us to get married in one of the states which performs same-sex marriages and then come to Germany as a couple and live together because Germany recognises same-sex marriages which the US performed. But then we would be risking our future in the united states. You can see why in here >>> http://immigrationequality.org/issues/couples-and-families/faqs-for-binational-couples/

But someday I believe that people will be ashamed for what they have done to homosexual people. They will look funny like the ones who do right now, who were against race mixing once... The picture explains more. Someday, not in every place of world but at some places, people will be free to marry whoever they want. And I am hoping to God it will not be too late for us. I mean I worked my butt off to become a good person,and I did and I also have become an engineer, I have made my family proud. And my girlfriend, she has been serving her country for almost 10 years now, and her family is proud as well. Believe me she is an amazing person, has an amazing heart which most of heterosexual people do not have. I think gay soldiers should be having more benefits than heterosexual ones. Because they are already brave enough to join the military even though they knew they would get kicked out because of that before 2011, brave enough to join even though they know they will not have the same benefits. Whats the most important thing about being a soldier, isnt that a brave heart, isnt that faith, isnt that the love that you have for your country? I think gay soldiers already prove with joining the military that they love their country and they are breave enough to serve their country without second thoughts even though their country is not yet treating them like they are a first class. And... I won't even talk about my country...

What makes us second class? What make people to have rights to make decisions for us and tell us that we can't get married and be together? Like we just want to be together, we just want to live together an happy... Is it too much to ask? Why cant people just care about their own business and set us free to marry the ones that we love? Like why?? I dont get it... If there is God, there is only one. Its not like, your God, my God, or their God... And do you know what fake-religious people dont get? If they really believed in God not only in books, they could see that we were born this way, they could see that its actually God, himself, who has created us this way. Not understanding gay people is just judging God's work and as I am taught its the biggest sin... Do you have any idea how it feels like to be gay in a muslim culture and have a secret life for 24 years? Do you know how many nights that I prayed crying when I was a teenager and asked God why he has made me this way? Do you know how many times I prayed him and begged him to change me when I was a teenager? And you know what, he didnt. Because this is the way that he wants me to be. And let me give you one detail, I actually have become a religious person after finding the love of my life because there is not a possibilty for her to be anything else but an angel in a human body. And thank God I have my family supporting me. And thank God I have the most amazing girlfriend. Otherwise, I would not be able to become who I am right now.

Soo.. I am sorry I got a little emotional because my girlfriend and I were excited about the possibility for us to get married in Germany and me getting a legal status to stay with her since the U.S military does not provide it at this point. And now, we are a little dissapointed thats why I am upset. It has nothing to do with you guys I just felt like writing it down. So no one should take it personally. I mean please dont. I know some of you would support us, some of you would not but I believe, someday the U.S. military will recognise the same-sex marriage. It will eventually happen but I hope it wont be too late for us. And of course, I am not losing hope, I am not giving up. I will look for jobs in Germany. I will be researching all the time. I am working at a Hydroelectrical Power Plant Project as a technical office engineer right now. So if I cant find anything in Germany until 2016, I will just work and save money, my girlfriend will be reenlisted in 2016 and if she decides to go back to the state side, I will just spend the money that I make on Masters degree in the states then we can possibly be together.

Anyways, I will keep asking my questions and once again thanks a lot for your time guys.

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I was in the same position 30 years ago and there might be some changes but I can readily attest that there is hope. So I will respond to your questions in turn:

1. what will happen to my USAREUR driver's license. Is it still valid after the military or do i have to get another german driving license? I went to ADAC and they helped me get my USAEUR and POV license translated which I later sumbitted to the local German DMV for a German POV license. I understand that this procedure has changed but your stateside license is good for 6 months in Germany providing it is still valid.

2. can I use my GI bill to study here in Germany (college). I used my GI Bill and applied to 7th Corps for relief and they let me attend University of Maryland courses in Germany. Many of the courses were on US military installations. I graduated in 1989. It was a paper chase but it was worth it in the end.

3. Do you know of an english speaking college/ university here? Many German institutions are now offering courses to foreign students in English.

4. I only signed up for 4 years but I do understand there's another 4 years on top of that where the US army can call me back when they are in need. *Would it be okay if i stay in germany after I ETS? I got my Euro out after 12 years of service and didn't have a reserve commitment. You still have a reserve commitment that can be served in Germany.

5. After you get your residence/work permit in Germany, how long is it valid for? Initially for one year, but if you keep your nose clean you can always get an extension. The trick is getting a residency permit before you get get a work permit. When you apply for a European out you will have to prove that you can be financially independent for one year. Having a promise of a job won't cut it - your potential employer will have to prove that they are ready, willing and able to employ your under German law.

Good Luck

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